Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Touring
Reload this Page >

Surly LHT question

Touring Have a dream to ride a bike across your state, across the country, or around the world? Self-contained or fully supported? Trade ideas, adventures, and more in our bicycle touring forum.

Surly LHT question

Old 02-21-17, 11:20 PM
  #1  
MAK
Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Delaware
Posts: 1,360

Bikes: Yes, I have bikes.

Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 136 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 8 Times in 2 Posts
Surly LHT question

I'm shopping for a new ride and will be replacing and selling my 520 because of the tire width with fenders limitation. Admittedly, I tend to over research and paralysis by analysis is a problem I'm aware of and work to control.

I'll be looking at a few bikes and certainly can't ignore the LHT. I've looked on the Surly site and Googled to get information, but I can't find the weight of the built 700c or 26" LHT anywhere.

If you have one and know it's weight could you please share.

Yes, I know it's heavy and yes, I know it's not particularly speedy and that it's weight is offset buy its durability, strength and dependability. I just want to have as much information as possible for comparison. A pound or three won't sway me, but if there's a huge discrepancy it would be good to know.

BTW, I will certainly test ride all bikes I'm considering. I can't imagine buying a bike without testing for fit and other variables.

Thank you.
MAK is offline  
Old 02-21-17, 11:38 PM
  #2  
gif4445
Senior Member
 
gif4445's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Kearney NE
Posts: 406

Bikes: Specialized Diverge, Volagi Liscio, LHT, Trek 1.2, Specialized Roubaix Elite

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 68 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by MAK View Post
I'm shopping for a new ride and will be replacing and selling my 520 because of the tire width with fenders limitation. Admittedly, I tend to over research and paralysis by analysis is a problem I'm aware of and work to control.

I'll be looking at a few bikes and certainly can't ignore the LHT. I've looked on the Surly site and Googled to get information, but I can't find the weight of the built 700c or 26" LHT anywhere.

If you have one and know it's weight could you please share.

Yes, I know it's heavy and yes, I know it's not particularly speedy and that it's weight is offset buy its durability, strength and dependability. I just want to have as much information as possible for comparison. A pound or three won't sway me, but if there's a huge discrepancy it would be good to know.

BTW, I will certainly test ride all bikes I'm considering. I can't imagine buying a bike without testing for fit and other variables.

Thank you.
The weight of my 56 cm LHT with 700 tires is 32 lbs. That includes fenders and rear rack.
gif4445 is offline  
Old 02-22-17, 05:05 AM
  #3  
TrikeFan
Newbie
 
Join Date: Dec 2016
Posts: 3
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
I wish my Surly only weighed 32 pounds.Without pedals,38Lbs.
TrikeFan is offline  
Old 02-22-17, 08:00 AM
  #4  
BigAura
 
BigAura's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Chapin, SC
Posts: 3,420

Bikes: all steel stable: surly world troller, paris sport fixed, fuji ss

Mentioned: 10 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 600 Post(s)
Liked 21 Times in 14 Posts
8 pounds ==> my Surly LHT 54cm-26" ==> S&S coupled frame & fork

The rest is all about how I build it up for a tour. For me that's been 30 to 34 pounds for a total touring machine.


Here its 34 pounds.

Last edited by BigAura; 02-22-17 at 09:35 AM.
BigAura is offline  
Old 02-22-17, 08:27 AM
  #5  
gauvins
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: QC Canada
Posts: 1,154

Bikes: Custom built LHT & Troll

Mentioned: 9 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 401 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
A 58cm 26" frame weighs 5.15 pounds, while the fork weighs 2.25 pounds, according to Surly.

You may also find interesting bits here.

Last edited by gauvins; 02-22-17 at 08:33 AM.
gauvins is offline  
Old 02-22-17, 09:22 AM
  #6  
MAK
Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Delaware
Posts: 1,360

Bikes: Yes, I have bikes.

Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 136 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 8 Times in 2 Posts
Thank you to all who answered regarding the built bike. It's interesting that Surly provides weights for frames and forks but doesn't give built bike weights. Even though riders will add racks and do other customizing, it would be a nice starting point. I'll average the range and proceed.
MAK is offline  
Old 02-22-17, 10:01 AM
  #7  
veganbikes
Clark W. Griswold
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: ,location, location
Posts: 5,227

Bikes: Foundry Chilkoot Ti W/Ultegra Di2, Salsa Timberjack Ti, Cinelli Mash Work RandoCross Fun Time Machine, 1x9 XT Parts Hybrid, Co-Motion Cascadia, Specialized Langster, Pink Klein MTB, Phil Wood VeloXS Frame (w/DA 7400), Cilo Road Frame, Proteus frame

Mentioned: 28 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1177 Post(s)
Liked 41 Times in 29 Posts
My old 26" DT was 34lbs with front and rear tubus racks, 3 PDW Bird Cages and a smattering of upgraded components. My new bike (Co-Motion Cascadia) is about 29lbs without a front rack and with some of the parts from the DT and some stepped up parts.
veganbikes is offline  
Old 02-22-17, 10:13 PM
  #8  
Doug64
Senior Member
 
Doug64's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Oregon
Posts: 5,493
Mentioned: 29 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 767 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 22 Times in 14 Posts
My LHT built from the frame up weighs 31 lb. with Tubus front and rear racks, fenders, 3 bottle cages, interrupter brake levers, and Ortlieb bar bag mount. It is a 58 cm frame with 700c wheels.

The weight of our daughters' 26" LHTs will not help, unless you ride a 44 or 50 cm frame.

Last edited by Doug64; 02-22-17 at 10:16 PM.
Doug64 is offline  
Old 02-23-17, 05:18 AM
  #9  
Squeezebox
Banned.
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Posts: 2,087
Mentioned: 9 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 760 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Just for comparison. My Trek 920 is 28lb. with racks and fenders. I know that was not the specific question.
Squeezebox is offline  
Old 02-23-17, 07:12 AM
  #10  
mstateglfr 
Sunshine
 
mstateglfr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Des Moines, IA
Posts: 8,294

Bikes: '87 Schwinn Prelude, Black Mountain Cycles Monstercross V4, '89 Novara/Centurion Ironman, '18 Diamondback Syncr, '18 handmade steel roadbike

Mentioned: 76 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2961 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 144 Times in 102 Posts
Just for comparison, my 65cm BlackMtnCycles steel gravel bike is 25# without racks and fenders. I know that was not the specific question, but it seems we are just listing weights of various bikes so here ya go.




ETA- please know I wasnt trying to be helpful with this response and mockingly posted it.

Last edited by mstateglfr; 02-23-17 at 03:03 PM.
mstateglfr is offline  
Old 02-23-17, 10:51 AM
  #11  
Timequake
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2015
Location: PNW
Posts: 230

Bikes: 1982 Univega Gran Turismo

Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 128 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Bike weight changes so much based on accessories, it's almost pointless to quote a "built" weight. The weight of my 54cm 26" LHT could be very different from another's because of rack choice, tire size, panniers, even fender style. Also if you're going to be touring, the pound or two difference between bike brands will be completely offset by what you pack. The LHT is a fantastic bike with great stock gearing for climbing hills with added pack-weight and for moving relatively quickly on flats. If my LHT is too heavy, I pack less stuff and skip a cheeseburger dinner.
Timequake is offline  
Old 02-23-17, 10:57 AM
  #12  
fietsbob 
coprolite
 
fietsbob's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: NW,Oregon Coast
Posts: 41,928

Bikes: 8

Mentioned: 188 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6833 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 214 Times in 178 Posts
Last Summer just the bikes left at the shop to be packed up and shipped back east

after a transcontinental ride, Surly was quite Popular, Salsa an Co Motion , other Brands, people liked.

This leaves out all the north to south Ppacific coast tours that just passed thru.... hundreds every summer.

[Oh, this is just another weight-centered thread..





....

Last edited by fietsbob; 02-23-17 at 04:05 PM.
fietsbob is offline  
Old 02-23-17, 02:12 PM
  #13  
Vintage_Cyclist
Senior Member
 
Vintage_Cyclist's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Big Apple
Posts: 1,236

Bikes: yes

Mentioned: 13 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 316 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
My 2014 LHT, 58cm, was 28lbs, with the stock build and nothing else put on it yet.
Vintage_Cyclist is offline  
Old 02-25-17, 12:29 PM
  #14  
Brett A
...
 
Brett A's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: North-Central Mass
Posts: 76

Bikes: Many of different types

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 14 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
2016 Disc Trucker (built on a red 2015 frame) 35 pounds as pictured, weighed with a hanging digital luggage scale.

26 inch wheels, 52cm frame. Plus Brooks B17 saddle, fenders, Tubus racks, 1.75 inch Conti tires, puncture proof tire liners, seat bag w/spare tube and tools, pump, Ortlieb handlebar bag mount, headlight, three bottle cages, plus a fourth mounted to the bars. And, of course, pedals.

One thing that may have shaved a pound or-so are the cranks I put on it for lower gearing which just happened to be carbon fiber.

And you're right about it not being light or fast. It's not the point. It's slow and comfortable. It doesn't care how many watts your legs put into it, it says "nope, we're only going to go this fast". So you might as well lean back off the effort and enjoy the scenery. Also, it doesn't ride much different laden or unladen. It always rides like it's laden, so it might as well be. It really is a one-purpose bike.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg
Surly 2 2017.jpg (99.5 KB, 230 views)

Last edited by Brett A; 02-25-17 at 12:34 PM.
Brett A is offline  
Old 02-25-17, 09:30 PM
  #15  
geoffs
Senior Member
 
geoffs's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Sydney
Posts: 282

Bikes: Co-Motion Mocha Co-pilot, Habanero custom commuter, Seven Axiom SL, Seven Axiom SLX, Blom Track

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 68 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
my wifes 50cm LHT with 26" wheels weighs nearly 14kg which she was using as a commuter
I've nearly finished building a Habanero Ti commuter for her which will weigh just under 8kg using 1x11 Sram XO1
Frame is custom made for her size
LHT make great boat anchors
geoffs is offline  
Old 04-03-17, 11:31 PM
  #16  
MAK
Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Delaware
Posts: 1,360

Bikes: Yes, I have bikes.

Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 136 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 8 Times in 2 Posts
Thank you all for your responses. I realized today that I hadn't asked Surly directly so I wrote them this morning.

I asked for the weights of a 56cm LHT and Disc Trucker “Complete Bike Parts Kit”. This is the spec'ed out bike as listed on their website. So, no pedals, racks, fender, bottle holders, etc. They responded:

LHT 56cm approximately 26lbs 11oz
Disc Trucker 56cm ~3oz lighter, so a negligible difference.
MAK is offline  
Old 04-04-17, 06:24 AM
  #17  
BigAura
 
BigAura's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Chapin, SC
Posts: 3,420

Bikes: all steel stable: surly world troller, paris sport fixed, fuji ss

Mentioned: 10 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 600 Post(s)
Liked 21 Times in 14 Posts
Originally Posted by MAK View Post
I asked for the weights of a 56cm LHT and Disc Trucker “Complete Bike Parts Kit”. This is the spec'ed out bike as listed on their website. So, no pedals, racks, fender, bottle holders, etc. They responded:

LHT 56cm approximately 26lbs 11oz
Disc Trucker 56cm ~3oz lighter, so a negligible difference.
No Brooks saddle or fat Schwalbe touring tires either. Overbuilt sturdiness & comfort weighs a good bit
BigAura is offline  
Old 04-04-17, 09:17 AM
  #18  
mstateglfr 
Sunshine
 
mstateglfr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Des Moines, IA
Posts: 8,294

Bikes: '87 Schwinn Prelude, Black Mountain Cycles Monstercross V4, '89 Novara/Centurion Ironman, '18 Diamondback Syncr, '18 handmade steel roadbike

Mentioned: 76 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2961 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 144 Times in 102 Posts
Originally Posted by MAK View Post
Thank you all for your responses. I realized today that I hadn't asked Surly directly so I wrote them this morning.

I asked for the weights of a 56cm LHT and Disc Trucker “Complete Bike Parts Kit”. This is the spec'ed out bike as listed on their website. So, no pedals, racks, fender, bottle holders, etc. They responded:

LHT 56cm approximately 26lbs 11oz
Disc Trucker 56cm ~3oz lighter, so a negligible difference.
Interesting because disc brake wheels are heavier than rim brake wheels.
mstateglfr is offline  
Old 04-04-17, 12:19 PM
  #19  
lhendrick
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: New York and Florida
Posts: 250

Bikes: Surly LHT, Trek 2100, Trek 7000 (1995 or so) Trek 7000

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
36-38 pounds. I named it "Elephant's Backstroke"
lhendrick is offline  
Old 04-04-17, 12:37 PM
  #20  
Boondocksaints
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2017
Posts: 120
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 80 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by gif4445 View Post
The weight of my 56 cm LHT with 700 tires is 32 lbs. That includes fenders and rear rack.
May I ask how tall you are?
Boondocksaints is offline  
Old 04-04-17, 01:01 PM
  #21  
gif4445
Senior Member
 
gif4445's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Kearney NE
Posts: 406

Bikes: Specialized Diverge, Volagi Liscio, LHT, Trek 1.2, Specialized Roubaix Elite

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 68 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Boondocksaints View Post
May I ask how tall you are?
I was closer to 5'10" when I bought the LHT. At that time I rode both a 54 and a 56. They bike shop guy told me I could go either way, so I went with the 56 and the 700 wheels. I'm shrinking (height wise anyway, probably closer to 5'9" now) as I approach 60 yo, so now I might get a 54. The LHT and maybe most/all Surlys as far as I know, are a little bigger as you compare them to another make.
gif4445 is offline  
Old 04-04-17, 01:35 PM
  #22  
seeker333
-
 
seeker333's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 3,752

Bikes: yes!

Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 235 Post(s)
Liked 9 Times in 8 Posts
Originally Posted by MAK View Post
Thank you...
It is impossible for a LHT and DT of the same frame size with the same parts, except for brakesets and hubs (which must be different) to weigh the same, or even within 3 oz. A DT is heavier than a nearly identical LHT build specifically due to differences in the fork, rear dropouts, cable guides, brake cable and housing (longer runs), hubs, and especially the brake calipers. Disc brakes+DT are approximately a 2 lb penalty over a LHT. I've owned both plus a good balance, and I built and weighed the bikes. LHTs with fenders and racks are usually over 30 lbs - DTs the same size are 32+.

You have to be careful when comparing touring bike weights since simply changing a saddle (Brooks) or tires (Schwalbe Marathon) can add 0.3-2 lbs to the bike's weight.

I just weighed my DT for this post - 31.8 lbs, with 1.7 lbs of lights and batteries added from last weighing:

http://www.bikeforums.net/18811521-post11.html
seeker333 is offline  
Old 04-04-17, 02:32 PM
  #23  
Boondocksaints
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2017
Posts: 120
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 80 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by gif4445 View Post
I was closer to 5'10" when I bought the LHT. At that time I rode both a 54 and a 56. They bike shop guy told me I could go either way, so I went with the 56 and the 700 wheels. I'm shrinking (height wise anyway, probably closer to 5'9" now) as I approach 60 yo, so now I might get a 54. The LHT and maybe most/all Surlys as far as I know, are a little bigger as you compare them to another make.
Thanks! I want to get a Surly frame and was just wondering about frames.
Boondocksaints is offline  
Old 04-04-17, 03:26 PM
  #24  
jmeb
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Denver, CO
Posts: 678

Bikes: 1966 Carlton, 197X MKM, 1983 Trek 620, 1988 Schwinn High Sierra, 1995 DBR Axis Ti, 1999 Waterford, 2016 DBR Release, 2017 Surly Travelers Check

Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 63 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Boondocksaints View Post
Thanks! I want to get a Surly frame and was just wondering about frames.
Surly has good geometry charts on their website. Going by them and measurements off a current bike that fits well is your best bet -- vs just assuming you should size down.

Some of their bikes also vary their proportions by size. For instance, in the larger sizes of a cross check top tubes are equal or shorter than the seat tube. In smaller sizes, the inverse is true.
jmeb is offline  
Old 04-04-17, 03:55 PM
  #25  
Boondocksaints
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2017
Posts: 120
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 80 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by jmeb View Post
Surly has good geometry charts on their website. Going by them and measurements off a current bike that fits well is your best bet -- vs just assuming you should size down.

Some of their bikes also vary their proportions by size. For instance, in the larger sizes of a cross check top tubes are equal or shorter than the seat tube. In smaller sizes, the inverse is true.
Thanks! Will check it out. I was considering a Surly LHT or Troll to start building a bike.
Boondocksaints is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2018 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.