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Old 09-30-18, 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by McBTC View Post
A bit out of date those old fins of the automotive culture...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1950s_...mobile_culture


I'm swooning now...oh my!
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Originally Posted by McBTC View Post
With more energy many things become possible such as... more mobility.



~ Tisha Schuller and Seth Levey, Scientific American
The point of that article is that poor people and developing countries need access to energy to improve their lives and economies Fair enough. However since there is no unlimited source of clean energy, the only way that can happen without destroying the world is if we use less. Besides, where do Tisher and Levey say that energy has to go to highways and cars - the most inefficient way to move people?

Also, although it is published in Scientific American it is not a scientific article. It is an opinion piece by the head of a natural gas consulting company.

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I saw a TED talk about providing people in Africa small scale solar systems to power their houses so as to free them from expensive grids and allow them more wide spread modest use of electricity. It talked about a future where community collectives could pool solar power to either sell (generate income) or power small scale industry. Quite interesting as I think we take basic power for granted but they can't even refrigerate food or use lights in the evening.

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The point of that article is that poor people and developing countries need access to energy to improve their lives and economies Fair enough. However since there is no unlimited source of clean energy, the only way that can happen without destroying the world is if we use less. Besides, where do Tisher and Levey say that energy has to go to highways and cars - the most inefficient way to move people?

Also, although it is published in Scientific American it is not a scientific article. It is an opinion piece by the head of a natural gas consulting company.
The plains Indians didn't acquire horses until the 18th century. I wonder of anyone thought maybe they shouldn't mess around with those animals or they'd destroy the world. The horse culture changed the Indian culture and if not for the Automotive culture there'd be a lot of horses*** to deal with today...


Since the buffalo herds moved seasonally great distances from place to place those who depended on them for their living must move also. The horse made this far easier and quicker. I know of few situations in history where the economy and culture of a society have been so dramatically transformed with such lightning speed by a similar empowerment. The romance and excitement of this colorful culture has captured the imagination of the Western World and it has become a favorite subject for books, paintings and movies.

The Indian acquisition of the horse reminds me of the somewhat analogous technological revolution in our society caused by the invention and ubiquitous spread of motor vehicles. The glory days of Indian horsemen lasted a little over a century. Given our rapid exhaustion of oil and gas reserves and our pollution of the environment, one wonders if the glory days of the motor vehicle will last much longer than that of the mounted Indian.

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We've all in our own way just been following the buffalo ever since...


One must remember that before the early 1700s the Plains Indian depended on dogs or human beings for transporting their equipment. The vast herds of buffalo were extremely difficult for them to hunt because they could move much faster than a man on foot. On the vast plains there was little cover where hunters could hide to make a stalk. Certainly resourceful hunters managed to kill buffalo with techniques like approaching using wolf hides as cover or driving herds over a precipice, but this did not provide great abundance with any continuity. Almost overnight, as if by magic, they found a way to outrun a buffalo and carry much greater loads farther and faster than a dog or a human.
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Originally Posted by McBTC View Post
A bit out of date those old fins of the automotive culture...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1950s_...mobile_culture



Now that is automotive culture!!
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Originally Posted by McBTC View Post
We've all in our own way just been following the buffalo ever since...



https://www.equitours.com/views-from...rican-culture/
There's a lot of romanticization of Sioux buffalo hunting culture. Basically the Sioux were driven out of the woods of Minnesosa and the Mississippi valley by brutal white man-driven wars with the Iroquois and Ojibway over the beaver trade, and were able to adapt to life on the plains thanks to aquiring guns and horses. However that made them too dependant on buffalo so they could be starved into submission and their culture destroyed by white men exterminating the buffalo.

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Originally Posted by McBTC View Post
The plains Indians didn't acquire horses until the 18th century. I wonder of anyone thought maybe they shouldn't mess around with those animals or they'd destroy the world. The horse culture changed the Indian culture and if not for the Automotive culture there'd be a lot of horses*** to deal with today...
I do agree with this part of your post 204:
Given our rapid exhaustion of oil and gas reserves and our pollution of the environment, one wonders if the glory days of the motor vehicle will last much longer than that of the mounted Indian.

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Will biowaste be a viable source of energy for vehicles is sorta where this is all leading to.
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From BBC

Why you have (probably) already
bought your last car.

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-45786690
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We had one LCF thread end up in P&R, to my surprise...these things don't have to go there.
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We had one LCF thread end up in P&R, to my surprise...these things don't have to go there.
You were surprised?
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Old 10-15-18, 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Rollfast View Post
We had one LCF thread end up in P&R, to my surprise...these things don't have to go there.
No? Where should threads overwhelmed with P&R ranting, musing about OT social consciousness raising issues, and/or weird attempts at OT humor go?
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When I've need a vehicle like this, I simply rent it a day earlier than needed and return when the rental place is open. It might've cost an extra $50, but with the ~$6500 I'm saving a year being car free, it's not an issue.
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No? Where should threads overwhelmed with P&R ranting, musing about OT social consciousness raising issues, and/or weird attempts at OT humor go?
You sir, is/are part of the "problem & people who think like you"... as , far as sustainability is concerned... YES, we can, continue on the path we are on, and be hugely successful,.. YAY, Hurrah… , but, what about the future generations..>>> I have NEVER seen a post from you as to how that would work out. "in the future".. Give me a break, what does your future, look like in the bigger scheme of things... >>> oh, and your ancestor's future... ???
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Never thought I'd have the chance to say this in normal conversation but: Your ancestor's future is now!
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Never thought I'd have the chance to say this in normal conversation but: Your ancestor's future is now!

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If I was living car free, how would I accomplish this journey in 9 days and carry all the gear I need for my vacation?
After I gave up the car it took me one year to save up for a 5-month bike trip using the money I would have used for fuel, insurance, repairs, parking, etc., on my van. I also sold the van, a motorcycle, and my pop-up camper (all things I loved). I biked self-contained from New Orleans, USA to Vancouver, BC, then down the coast to Mexico. 5-months total. I brought a fishing pole and some light tackle. Seriously. I have photos to prove it.

I gave up several things I love to do, like canoeing, bow fishing, hunting, and surf cast fishing, for instance, when I decided I would be happier without a few activities if it meant ditching the gahdamn car. That was 1989. Nearly 30 years later I have no regrets. (I have also biked across the USA five times). If you don't mind being a slave to the car, or if you are rich, then you should not go car free if the car/truck enhances your life more than it detracts from it. Pretty simple.
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When I've need a vehicle like this, I simply rent it a day earlier than needed and return when the rental place is open. It might've cost an extra $50, but with the ~$6500 I'm saving a year being car free, it's not an issue.
Or ^^this. Flexibility.
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I cut out all the slanted, self-serving, and derogatory parts and came up with what I would call an actual nugget of wisdom:
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you should not go car free if the car/truck enhances your life more than it detracts from it. Pretty simple.
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After I gave up the car it took me one year to save up for a 5-month bike trip using the money I would have used for fuel, insurance, repairs, parking, etc., on my van. I also sold the van, a motorcycle, and my pop-up camper (all things I loved). I biked self-contained from New Orleans, USA to Vancouver, BC, then down the coast to Mexico. 5-months total. I brought a fishing pole and some light tackle. Seriously. I have photos to prove it.

I gave up several things I love to do, like canoeing, bow fishing, hunting, and surf cast fishing, for instance, when I decided I would be happier without a few activities if it meant ditching the gahdamn car. That was 1989. Nearly 30 years later I have no regrets. (I have also biked across the USA five times). If you don't mind being a slave to the car, or if you are rich, then
you should not go car free if the car/truck enhances your life more than it detracts from it. Pretty simple.
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I cut out all the slanted, self-serving, and derogatory parts and came up with what I would call an actual nugget of wisdom:
Wow! I have an on-site proof reader/editor! Free. I love it!

I was just trying to point out that no one really knows how going car-free will turn out without trying it. I kept my van for two years before I sold it, just in case I changed my mind. I killed the license and insurance then put it in a free storage spot I had lined up. Sold it to my little brother for $1 when I was sure.

Every single car-free person gives up something they love doing, or something becomes so inconvenient that they stop doing it. Welcome to the club Mr. Fisherman! In fact, I'm going to start a thread about this.

Feel free to proof/edit! I like it.
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The term, "Iron Horse" was meant to venerate the steam locomotive back in the day when horses were used to run machinery. As time when on, so the story goes, companies that operated trains made a crucial marketing mistake (back in the day when automobiles showed up), believing they were in the railroad business when they actually were in the transportation business. For most who own and operate motor vehicles, I think it's pretty well understood that a car is transportation and not a hobby. If you can get around without having to shell out the expense of car ownership, it makes sense you'd be, living car-free. I can easily get around without a bike but I own and ride one-- it's more a hobby, probably a bit like many who owned the first cars. But, pretty quickly, many came to understand that car ownership literally and figuratively expanded your horizons--
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Feel free to proof/edit! I like it.
All he did was censor your entire post except for the part where you said something seemingly car-positive; probably either to try to groom you into being more car-positive generally or to provoke a car vs. bike debate, which are the downfall of this subforum and thus the highlight for the pro-car (i.e. car defensive) people.
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Actually, what I did was take out all the slanted, anti-car stuff and leave in the parts grounded in reality. Only some people can see and admit that sometimes using a car is the better alternative.
in fact, anyone who thinks that the remaining sentence was car-positive is by that revealing deep prejudice (or a need for medication.)

What JoeyBike actually said was, use a car or don't, whichever is better.

And that, sirs and madams, makes sense.
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Originally Posted by Maelochs View Post
What JoeyBike actually said was, use a car or don't, whichever is better.
Or...ditch the car, keep your insurance, and test the waters. If car-free sucks for you, get another car. Last year I rented 14 cars for one to four days. Now that car rental prices are through the roof for some reason, I start considering owning a car again. For reasons mentioned already, I can't have one right now so, I just do something else not requiring rental cars. Life sucks sometimes. What can I say. Put on the big-boy pants and move on.
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