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Old 02-13-19, 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by indyfabz View Post
If you ever get the chance, Port Townsend, WA is a great place to visit.
That sounds very cool. If I ever get back out that way again then I'll definitely have to go check it out. Thanks!
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Old 02-13-19, 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by BirdsBikeBinocs View Post
Look at the above pictures. That's quality defined.
Raleigh made some great affordable bikes in the past and up until very recently made a couple of very nice steel road bikes. The Grand Vitesse and the Grand Prix.
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Old 02-13-19, 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by downhillmaster View Post
Raleigh made some great affordable bikes in the past and up until very recently made a couple of very nice steel road bikes. The Grand Vitesse and the Grand Prix.
Here's a sweet looking Grand Vitesse listed for sale on DC Craigslist right now. I've been admiring it for awhile. Tough to get used to that dark finish on the Ultegra crank...but still pretty awesome. https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/...802602995.html

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Originally Posted by indyfabz View Post
That's too bad, but...If you ever get the chance, Port Townsend, WA is a great place to visit. Fort Worden State Park there is the old military base where much of "An Officer and a Gentleman" was filmed. You can rent the old officers' houses and other indoor accommodations once used by service members. During the summer it's common to see seals, sea lions and other marine mammals. There is also camping. I've stayed there twice during bike tours starting in Seattle.

My sister lived there in the 1980s. Beautiful place. I remember lots of loons (the winged kind).
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Old 02-13-19, 05:12 PM
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Several LBS's sell Raleigh in my area, including a large reputable dealer, https://www.mikesbikes.com/ and an independent dealer, Elite Bicycles - A Family Bike & Scooter Shop serving Citrus Heights, Roseville, Folsom, Orangevale, Fair Oaks, and the Greater Sacramento area both Raleigh dealers.
Not just mail order.
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Originally Posted by restlessswind View Post
Several LBS's sell Raleigh in my area, including a large reputable dealer, https://www.mikesbikes.com/ and an independent dealer, Elite Bicycles - A Family Bike & Scooter Shop serving Citrus Heights, Roseville, Folsom, Orangevale, Fair Oaks, and the Greater Sacramento area both Raleigh dealers.
Not just mail order.
Wheelworks in the Boston area is selling them. Also a large reputable dealer.
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Old 02-14-19, 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by BirdsBikeBinocs View Post
Simple question for those in the know... Does Raleigh still make a quality road bike.??
2 years ago I worked in a shop that sold Raleigh. Their road bikes at the time were pretty decent, in par with other brands at that price point.They do not compete in all sectors like other larger brands but if they have what you are looking for, they are quality for the money
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Old 02-14-19, 10:39 AM
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Raleigh

Originally Posted by BirdsBikeBinocs View Post
Simple question for those in the know... Does Raleigh still make a quality road bike.??
One of the bike lines my LBS carries is Raleigh, today.. I find they are fine..

Raleigh, in USA is a Pac Rim sourced bike ... a business requirement to be cost competitive .....

Few bikes" other than Brompton are made in London, or Nottingham England, I met 1 fellow, in Nottingham, on a bike tour through the country, [1991]

He made frames by hand, There, in the basement (ground floor) of a 400 year old house..

* the regional bike shop selling bikes they made the frames for is now pretty much History, there still were a few back then..









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Originally Posted by radroad View Post
They've positioned themselves as a mid-priced value leader. They've entered the e-bike market in a big way as well. This model in particular is outrageously fun to ride: Bosch motor with 27.5+ tires. I demo'ed and literally could not stop riding it! With tires offering this much traction and comfort, it rivaled full suspension bikes. With higher battery capacity it would be a home run hit:

https://www.raleighusa.com/tokul-ie-141

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Holy spin-cycle! Where's the chainring? Is there some up-gearing hidden in the motor unit? If not, this is just an MTB-shaped electric moped with muscle power only available as an emergency backup.
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its a mountain climber the market out here has Hunters buying them.. timber company lands allow them behind the locked gates..
considering them a bicycle, not a motorbike (Less fire hazard.)
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Old 02-14-19, 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by rollagain View Post
Holy spin-cycle! Where's the chainring? Is there some up-gearing hidden in the motor unit? If not, this is just an MTB-shaped electric moped with muscle power only available as an emergency backup.
I believe Bosch uses 2.5x internal reduction gearing.
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Compared to road biking it's a slow ride, but my dog and I really enjoy cruising on our Raleigh Tristar!

Raleigh Tristar 3-speed Trike


slow ride
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Old 02-15-19, 07:37 AM
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I bought a brand new tamland a couple years ago for under $800 shipped to my door . Can't beat the price for 105 groupset, and carbon fork on a steel frame. The weinman wheels were junk and had a hub crap out at 500 miles. It gave me an excuse to upgrade wheels, which i was planning on anyway, but i was still irritated that they were that bad. I see they are now no longer using those wheels....
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Old 02-16-19, 11:36 AM
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Raleigh even in their original hay day were never quality bikes, sure some were expensive, but true to the British way their quality control was often spotty. Having said that the modern Raleigh/Diamondback bikes on the upper end have gotten high reviews. Look up the reviews on the internet for Raleigh Clubman Carbon, the bike got 4 1/2 to 5 stars. Diamondback bikes on the lower price points like the Hannjo series have consistently came out as best buys and quality for the price, even their top of the line Andean 3 Pre Built got rave reviews by both users and windtunnel testing. SOOOOO, I think those two brands are better then most of what Bikes Direct sells except maybe BD's titanium bikes, and I think those two companies offer more bang for the buck then what bike shops sells. You don't have to take my word for it, you can google the best road (even replace the road with mountain) bikes to buy under a $1,000 and Raleigh and/or Diamondback will come up consistently.
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Originally Posted by ogmtb View Post
How do you define quality?
I suggest you read “Zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance” for a complete discussion of quality. Not something modern society thinks much about. Really, it’s a great read.
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Old 03-07-19, 01:11 PM
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I recently ordered a Redux 2 as a second bike and after a trip to my LBS for a dial in it has performed admirably. Been doing 15 mile weeknight sidewalk rides on it and love it. The frame is very solid. Everything else is sourced anyway and easily replaced if I want to. For around $500, it’s a great bike.

Im shopping the gravel bike market now, looking for a 1X, steel, hydraulic disc equipped ride and am having a hard time finding a better spec’ed bike for the money than the Tamland 2.
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Originally Posted by cb400bill View Post
Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance
My thoughts exactly! You beat me to it! That book is a treatise on the concept. I've read it 3 times over the years & each time got a deeper meaning. That book is one that heavily influenced me...That, & Cosmos by Carl Sagan & A Brief History of Time by Hawking. Both of which I've read (and understood) twice.

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My only fear as brand names get bought up and punched out of the Asian factories is the materials that are used. If you have a stripped down WalMart frame and compare it to a top name stripped down frame, they might look similar on the outside. Once you inspect welds and wall thicknesses you will probably find that the cheap bike is made with much heavier tubing with substandard welds. We have that problem with our aluminum tandem frame. It is aluminum and very heavy. Our new steel custom tandem will likely come in weighing less and will be a much more pleasant ride.

Not that Raleighs are bad. Just that I hope that build quality is maintained.
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I like my '17 Stuntman a great deal. It's a unique bike.

One downside to most Raleighs (and many non-high end bikes these days): cheap, no-name hubs that need frequent tightening and crappy bottom brackets that fail quickly. A little cone-wrenching and a $30 XT BB solved both issues for me.

Also, regarding the comment above on "Asian factories": as I'm sure you know essentially every bike is "punched out" in Asia these days. Also, Raleigh uses brand-name tubing, for example the Stuntman is made out of 631.
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Old 06-22-19, 12:58 AM
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How do you like the tourist 2018?

Originally Posted by steve0257 View Post
I currently have a 2015 Raleigh Port Townsend and a 2018 Raleigh Tourist, and am quite happy with both of them.

They are by no means top of the line bikes, but they are a good value for what I paid.

How do you like the tourist 2018? i am looking at the tourist 2018 for $250 or the creme caferacer uno for $399
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In its heyday Raleigh was huge making entry level bikes and top end bikes with lightweight reynolds tubing. The quality of the bike was pretty much related to how much you were prepared to pay. Some of the old Raleigh bikes were absolutely stunning engineering for their time. Nowadays Accell are just importing bikes from Bangladesh and slapping the Raleigh brand on them and they are fine serviceable bikes but the factories they use change as Accell finds a cheaper factory. The certification today is far, far stricter than in the past and brakes are far more effective and the use of cheap factories in the far east has bought down prices considerably. The newer cheap high carbon steel frames are getting close to the properties of chromoly steel for strength to weight ratio.

My brother had a Carlton bike back in the day, part of Raleigh and it was absolutely fantastic for the money, it wasn't particularly expensive but was priced slightly above the normal Raleigh range. In contrast a childhood friend who was quite light had his Chopper bike frame break on him as he was cycling. I was also riding a much abused Chopper at the time that I got very cheap in a distressed state and weighed perhaps 50% more than him as much taller and a bit fatter as a child and my bike was fine. I was also more adventurous doing stupid wheelies and jumps because my bike was in garbage condition where as his was pristine in comparison. I would do many stupid things that he would never do. Just making the point that manufacturing quality might have been a bit inconsistent on the Chopper which was a mass market bike produced in a high volume factory.

Raleigh/Carlton carbon fibre bike back in the late 60s.

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the quality all everything in the current world seems to be lower . I have a 1980's frame which is still in okay condition, just needs a respray.
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They were all hand built bikes. How much time can you give to the details if your pricepoint is to be competitive. Handbuilt in England, boxed, shipped to U.S., distributed to bike shops, assembled, and sold. What was a Raleigh Grand Prix...$115-125 in the boom years. Heck of a product at that price.

I've seen the flaws. But given the choice of a boom era Raleigh built by hand or a robotic built 80's Pana-yata-shiki, I'll take the Raleigh any day.
Funny you should make that comparison, as Panaracer, Miyata, Nishiki, Bridgestone, etc. are generally considered a high-water mark for quality. I have owned a few vintage Raleighs, and while they have style and are durable, they generally do not look nearly as well made as '80s Japanese stuff. I have less experience with the Raleigh Professionals and Internationals, and more with Records and Grand Prix, and if I had a choice between a '70s Grand Prix and an entry level '70s Fuji or Miyata, I would take the Japanese bike 10/10 times.

I was reading an interweb thread a few days ago where someone was looking for a used road bike and had found an Peugeot for sale, and a commenter said how good the European road bikes of the era were. That was utter horse crap... the Euro bikes (esp. entry level French bikes) were awful things. Maybe durable enough, but flexy and not too light, and saddled with European derailleurs and components that were the reason Shimano got so big so quickly. Japanese frame manufacturing went out of style because it was becoming too expensive... but relics from that era are fine bicycles and are far superior to Old Raleighs.


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the quality all everything in the current world seems to be lower . I have a 1980's frame which is still in okay condition, just needs a respray.
While the 'Made In...' sticker seems less prestigious, I promise you that the modern Asian made Raleighs are superior to the Nottingham ones in every way, from weight and performance, to alignment, to straightness of sticker placement. While the old Raleighs were 'hand made', they weren't made as we think of a small builder carefully making individual frames - most were 'unit brazed' - meaning the tubes and lugs and fittings were roughly assembled together, then pushed (by hand) into an oven to complete the brazing. It was a mass production method that could have been done with robots, but they failed to make the investment in robotic technology that could have resulted in consistent and decent quality. But because it was a mass production method relying on human imperfection, the alignment was mediocre-to-bad, the joints were ugly, and there were generally no mounting points or braze ons, unless they were built into a lug or some other part that could not be left out. Cantilever brakes were impossible and water bottle cages had to be held on with clamps.
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Originally Posted by big chainring View Post
They were all hand built bikes. How much time can you give to the details if your pricepoint is to be competitive. Handbuilt in England, boxed, shipped to U.S., distributed to bike shops, assembled, and sold. What was a Raleigh Grand Prix...$115-125 in the boom years. Heck of a product at that price.

I've seen the flaws. But given the choice of a boom era Raleigh built by hand or a robotic built 80's Pana-yata-shiki, I'll take the Raleigh any day.
Ha- not sure how I missed this the first time around.
Its always fun to read a viewpoint about history that is totally different from so many others that Ive read, concerning a time period that I wasnt around for.

I have read over and again that many Raleigh bikes back in the 70s and early 80s(that were made in England, not Japan) would need to be faced, reamed, and even realigned before reaching the sales floor. The number of times Ive read that seat stays were held to the seat tube with paint or flux is shocking.

You would really rather have a mid-level 70s bike boom Raleigh over an '87 Miyata 912 or an '88 Panasonic DX5000? The fit and finish arent even close. The dropouts on a Prestige frame DX5000 are fantastic- nicely scalloped and not just bulleted then pressed.



As an aside- a $125 bike in '74 is a $650 bike in '19 based on inflation. I would take one of Raleigh's road bikes at $650 today each and every time over a new in box '74.
https://www.raleighusa.com/merit2-r143 $640 shipped to your door.
https://www.raleighusa.com/merit2 $630 shipped to your door.
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I enjoy my old Raleigh because it is neat, not practical. It's pretty, but at best, sloppy. For a 1974 bike, you'd think it was built in the 1930's. I like the nostalgia, but I would never give up my Surly. I'm actually considering a NOS Raleigh Special 3i cruiser for farting around on.
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