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Old 05-31-19, 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by jackb View Post
My wife, my son, and I just came back from cycling across Austria to Bratislava, Slovakia. We had miserable weather and strong headwinds almost everyday. Part-way through the trio we called our tour company and made a switch to ebikes. When you are trying to pedal a 40lb cross bike with panniers into a headwind in rain and 50 degree temps, you are not having any fun at all. The ebikes were great. If I ever did a trip like this again where I rented the bikes, I'd go for the ebikes. We still got plenty of exercise while reducing the unpleasantness of the weather. Here in the states I like to ride my road bike, and at 71 I am not yet having trouble getting up hills, but when that time comes, I'd get an ebike in a minute. We salvaged our trip by making the switch.
That is exactly what I have been trying to get across to people here, E-Assist bikes make it fun to ride in difficult situations, and you will still get a lot of exercise, if you don't use the throttle and MUST pedal...
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Old 06-02-19, 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Barrettscv View Post
I know that a pedal-assist e-bike is in my future. I'm delaying this day by increasing the regularity of my training by using an indoor trainer. I've also added a lightweight carbon bike with a 46 & 30 chainrings and a 11-32 cassette. But an e-bike is going to happen eventually.

Being active will always be superior to being sedentary. An e-bike keeps a cyclist active, pure and simple. Especially if you enjoy scenic, hilly routes, an e-bike will increase your overall health and happiness.

When I pull the trigger for an e-bike I won't worry what anyone else thinks or says. I'll still be pedaling and enjoying the great outdoors, that's all that matters.
I can sure relate to this line of thinking. Struggles with my health over the past few years seem to have stabilized, but I'm now a good bit weaker with less potential for really hard exertion than I had before. I'm still able to ride most any terrain I want, but I'm slower and I can't go as long. I can only keep up with riders who are purposely holding back so I can keep up. But I still love riding and I'll keep doing it as long as I can and I don't mind riding alone most of time.

The idea of getting an e-bike seems much more of a real possibility than it did just 2 years ago. I've just begun to read up on them a little and review the options. At this point, every time I start looking at e-bikes, what they can do and what they cost, my mind quickly turns toward my long left behind love for motorcycles. Right now I see myself more likely to supplement my bicycle riding with a dual purpose motorcycle like a KLR-650 or when I really start dreaming, a road bike like a Triumph Bonneville. I think an electric motored motorcycle would be fantastic, but I don't see that as an affordable option for several years at least.

So I'm not sure where this line of thinking will lead, but I'm open for whatever. For now, I'll keep riding my unassisted bikes. Next year, who knows?
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Originally Posted by Barrettscv View Post
I know that a pedal-assist e-bike is in my future. I'm delaying this day by increasing the regularity of my training by using an indoor trainer. I've also added a lightweight carbon bike with a 46 & 30 chainrings and a 11-32 cassette. But an e-bike is going to happen eventually.

Being active will always be superior to being sedentary. An e-bike keeps a cyclist active, pure and simple. Especially if you enjoy scenic, hilly routes, an e-bike will increase your overall health and happiness.

When I pull the trigger for an e-bike I won't worry what anyone else thinks or says. I'll still be pedaling and enjoying the great outdoors, that's all that matters.
I am so close to getting a E-Bike. And like you I am not interested in what my old group ride thinks. I just know it feels better on those long climbs.
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Old 06-03-19, 11:22 AM
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Before I get an electric motor bike, I will join a rowing club. No problem keeping up with others because we are all in the same boat. For now, there are plenty of people to ride with if I want to test myself. And if I want to go at my solo pace, that is what I do. As I get slower, I can join slower groups. There are beginner groups where I can share what I have learned about riding my bike the old fashioned way. I cannot imagine finishing an electric motor bike ride and feeling the same sense of accomplishment as I do after riding one of my bikes. I suppose it is just a different sport than cycling. Or a different cycling category. Like downhill MTB where folks get a lift to the top and ride gravity-assisted downhill. I am sure they get plenty of exercise. But it is not Cycling.
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Originally Posted by Classtime View Post
Before I get an electric motor bike, I will join a rowing club. No problem keeping up with others because we are all in the same boat. For now, there are plenty of people to ride with if I want to test myself. And if I want to go at my solo pace, that is what I do. As I get slower, I can join slower groups. There are beginner groups where I can share what I have learned about riding my bike the old fashioned way. I cannot imagine finishing an electric motor bike ride and feeling the same sense of accomplishment as I do after riding one of my bikes. I suppose it is just a different sport than cycling. Or a different cycling category. Like downhill MTB where folks get a lift to the top and ride gravity-assisted downhill. I am sure they get plenty of exercise. But it is not Cycling.
One could say that...

One could say that too...

One could also say that, but one could also be wrong/mistaken...
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Interesting data point:

I watched a gal on an e-bike come in off a club ride last Saturday. She took three turns on the pedal to move away from the stop sign and then, without turning the cranks any more, crossed the street, turned into the parking lot, rolled all the way across the parking lot and up to the front of the LBS. Gently uphill.

Apparently, the local bicycle club allows mopeds on their rides now.
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Originally Posted by Cychologist View Post
... at 75 I tired of getting dropped on the hills and having others wait for me. In fact, it was clear my son, who is very competitive in duathlons, no longer enjoyed riding with me.
Whatever works for you and your son is just peachy.

But I recall running up and down the sidewalk with my kids while they learned to ride, and then the years and years following pedaling slowly down to the neighborhood park with them. If my kids get to where they don't enjoy riding with me because I've slowed down, I'm changing my will.
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Old 06-06-19, 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by tcs View Post
Interesting data point:

I watched a gal on an e-bike come in off a club ride last Saturday. She took three turns on the pedal to move away from the stop sign and then, without turning the cranks any more, crossed the street, turned into the parking lot, rolled all the way across the parking lot and up to the front of the LBS. Gently uphill.

Apparently, the local bicycle club allows mopeds on their rides now.
and... That is basically why I "hate" throttles... You are now riding a moped, not, a bicycle with some assistance, once you do not need to pedal the bicycle it is/has become a moped... Even a cadence sensor instead of pressure sensor in the pedal/crank, are a "fail" IMO... Why,? because you can "pretend" pedal them...
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Originally Posted by 350htrr View Post
...because you can "pretend" pedal them...
Exactly. They are pretend bikes driven by pretend cyclists. We should call them p-bikes. Maybe there should be a sub-forum for people who pretend that they are riding a bicycle.
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What’s the big deal with an ebike?? If you want one, get one. If you don’t want one, don’t get one.
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Old 06-08-19, 06:58 PM
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What’s the big deal with an ebike?? If you want one, get one. If you don’t want one, don’t get one.
The big deal is, that some of us E-Assist riders still consider ourselves riding bicycles, with some assistance, Yes, from an Electric motor, instead of gearing, ( mechanical advantage) but we still put in lets say in my case, 70% of the motivating power to go from A to B, in other words we (Pedalled 70% of every KM for that particular ride), YES 30% of that trip was "motorised" but 70% of it was NOT... Then along come these "other riders " of E bikes not pedalling at all... or very little and every one of us riding an E-Bike is now riding a motorised bicycle... WRONG, some of us are still pedalling... It really depends on what type of an E-Bike you have, Not all E-Bikes, are E-Bikes, some are E-Assist E-Bikes… That you HAVE to PEDAL to get anywhere...

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The big deal is, that some of us E-Assist riders still consider ourselves riding bicycles,
I think most cyclists would disagree with you and suggest that once you go to a motor, it's irrelevant how much advantage you choose to get from it. A difference in degree shouldn't make the rider of one type a "cyclist" and the other "not."
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I think most cyclists would disagree with you and suggest that once you go to a motor, it's irrelevant how much advantage you choose to get from it. A difference in degree shouldn't make the rider of one type a "cyclist" and the other "not."
and... I would/do agree with you , most cyclists do think that way... Thing is, that I know, there actually IS a difference whether one must pedal to get anywhere, or one can just push a throttle and get there without pedaling, or putting in any effort at all.. JMO... Just like there IS a difference when riding a single speed, that most, if not all average bicycle riders today, could NOT ride, because they just do not have it in them to make it up that hill, so, they use the assistance of a 3 speed, a 10 speed, a 27 speed and now there are 33 speeds … and, without the assistance (mechanical advantage) of said gearing, I would wager bicycle ridership today would plummet to practically ZERO...

and... Thus there is also a difference in degrees of said "assistance/mechanical advantage" being used by the average bicyclist too... So, a bicyclist "purist" may think that anyone using any type of gearing is a cheat too...

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and... I would/do agree with you , most cyclists do think that way... Thing is, that I know, there actually IS a difference whether one must pedal to get anywhere, or one can just push a throttle and get there without pedaling, or putting in any effort at all.. JMO... Just like there IS a difference when riding a single speed, that most, if not all average bicycle riders today, could NOT ride, because they just do not have it in them to make it up that hill, so, they use the assistance of a 3 speed, a 10 speed, a 27 speed and now there are 33 speeds … and, without the assistance (mechanical advantage) of said gearing, I would wager bicycle ridership today would plummet to practically ZERO...

and... Thus there is also a difference in degrees of said "assistance/mechanical advantage" being used by the average bicyclist too... So, a bicyclist "purist" may think that anyone using any type of gearing is a cheat too...
I would dispute the notion of equating adding a motor with gearing, as they are not an "assist" in the same sense of the word. Regardless of gearing, it takes the same amount of work to pull a weight a vertical distance uphill. That is not true with an added motor, as it does some of that work for you.
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Here is the place to discuss E-Bikes.

https://www.bikeforums.net/electric-bikes/

Just say'n.
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It still remains let everyone ride what and how they want to ride. At least those riding e-bikes are not setting on the couch.

In fact the "do as I say and do" crowd are rather annoying. I get some of this since I ride a trike.
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Originally Posted by Classtime View Post
Theoretically, most of the threads in 50 Plus could be moved elsewhere. This thread discusses the advantages of E-assist for 50 plus cyclists.
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Originally Posted by Biker395 View Post
I would dispute the notion of equating adding a motor with gearing, as they are not an "assist" in the same sense of the word. Regardless of gearing, it takes the same amount of work to pull a weight a vertical distance uphill. That is not true with an added motor, as it does some of that work for you.
I never said it was "the same", What I said is (tried to say) was that BOTH end up helping, (the overall "effect"... of the mechanical advantage or an E Motor) both are actually assisting, allowing a person that could not, or would not make it up a particular hill, to make it up that particular hill... NOW, how much assistance is too much assistance and still keep an E-Assist bike a bicycle still ...??? IMO as long as the motor cannot make it up the hill without your pedaling input, (working up some sweat) , it is assisting you, once you do not need to pedal and the motor takes you up that hill, (and you are no longer working up a sweat)... You are now riding a moped, IMO...

EDIT; and... Yes, to most people on here, ANY kind of motor assistance makes the bicycle a motorized bike, (technically 100% true) ...

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Originally Posted by 350htrr View Post
I never said it was "the same", What I said is (tried to say) was that BOTH end up helping, (the overall "effect"... of the mechanical advantage or an E Motor) both are actually assisting, allowing a person that could not, or would not make it up a particular hill, to make it up that particular hill... NOW, how much assistance is too much assistance and still keep an E-Assist bike a bicycle still ...??? IMO as long as the motor cannot make it up the hill without your pedaling input, (working up some sweat) , it is assisting you, once you do not need to pedal and the motor takes you up that hill, (and you are no longer working up a sweat)... You are now riding a moped, IMO...

EDIT; and... Yes, to most people on here, ANY kind of motor assistance makes the bicycle a motorized bike, (technically 100% true) ...
I get what you're saying. I guess I'm responding to arguments I've heard elsewhere that adding a motor to a bike is no more of an assist than adding lower gears.

It's nonsense, of course. And I think they know it's nonsense. If it were really the case, why would someone spend all the $ for a motor if inexpensive gears were the same thing? From a mechanics standpoint, gearing only allows you to complete the same amount of work with less force (or torque), but it takes proportionately more time, so the amount of work performed is the same.
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I get what you're saying. I guess I'm responding to arguments I've heard elsewhere that adding a motor to a bike is no more of an assist than adding lower gears.

It's nonsense, of course. And I think they know it's nonsense. If it were really the case, why would someone spend all the $ for a motor if inexpensive gears were the same thing? From a mechanics standpoint, gearing only allows you to complete the same amount of work with less force (or torque), but it takes proportionately more time, so the amount of work performed is the same.
Touché...
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I just got an e bike solution for my bikes that works for me better than a traditional e-bike. I still want to ride unmotored as much as possible, I want the exercise at full effect and
I like powering my self. However, as I get older (nearly 70 now) the distances I am willing to go, the weather conditions I am willing to ride in, and the hills I am willing to tackle
all have diminished. Part of it is knee issues, part of it is concern about having the steam to get home if I go too far, and part is knowing how much big winds take out of me.

So I now have something called "Onemotor"....it is a friction drive system (but much more sophisticated than anything before) that magnetically connects into a very small package and removes from the bike in seconds, then stores in my little riding sling bag (Patagonia Atom). I can head out with it in the bag and sometimes it will just stay there, sometimes it
will come out and get attached (10 seconds max) depending on my need. It only weighs 4.5 lbs and I don't even notice it in the bag; I've carried heavier water bottles, lol.

I also can use it on either of my two bikes as it is not a permanent install, it's a modular system with wireless PAS and wireless throttle.

I went this route because I had a dedicated e-bike when I first returned to riding 7 years ago, and they are heavy (my folders with the e-bike system installed are both less than 26 pounds) and having the motor "there" all the time seemed to mean I used it more (albeit to counteract the heavy bike weight). I just didn't want another "e-bike" because
I didn't want to be stuck on a heavy bike if I ran out of juice, and I didn't want to encourage continuous use.

I might use my motor once or twice a week, that's it. I might decide to ride someplace I haven't been able to go because of a big hill, or ride even though there is a bad headwind,
or ride with my adult son and use it to keep up. I like having it in the bag on my back as it gives me more confidence to just go and ride and not overthink where I am headed and
whether I will be exhausted on my return.

Someday, maybe, I'll be using it all the time just to be able to keep riding, period, but I like that it gives me so many options before that happens.

Seniors on bikes are not all the same, and our e-bike solutions need to be as varied as we are! Whatever works to keep us riding =). Here's a pic of one of my bikes with the
motor and drive (the other has the motor on the front wheel). In spite of the stickers, this is a Dahon Mu Uno single speed. My other Bike is a Bike Friday pakiT (where I
stole the sticker, lol).


This is not a pakit, it's a dahon mu uno with a pakit sticker on it.

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This kind of discussion almost always devolves into what a real cyclist is. I had to read the Book bike tribes to discover how divided we can be. I am not sure there is an agreed on definition. I once discovered I wasn’t a real cyclist when I was struggling up a long climb with my new at the time CF road bike. A young guy on a fixie caught me and said real cyclists ride fixed.

Later at a a coffee shop he did grant me the title of roadie. I was secure in that till the racing portion of a club our group once rode with informed me I was just a club rider.

Strava gave me a reprieve for a while till we discovered there were a lot of people that only rode MUPs and didn’t even have a HRM to check.

I have often wondered if Beach cruisers were cyclists or even BMX riders.

It took open open heart surgery to show me the days of KOMs were over and cycling might just be having fun on a bike. Even maybe an E-Bike? Is the beginning of the end electric shifters?
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Only electric motor bikes riders or people who contemplate becoming electric motor bike riders or people in the business of selling same would equate the difference between a fixed gear bike and a geared bike to be the same as the difference between bicycle and an electric motor bike. That is crazy talk. The industry understands this and is trying to use PA instead of ebike because PA is pedal assist just like gears are pedal assist.

I have never had a KOM but after 3 open heart surgeries, I do get an occasional PR and riding a bike has always been fun for me. I'd like to get a vintage Vespa. That would be fun too. But my wife says, "No motorcycles!".

We have a discussion because ebike sales depend on buyers using them on MUPs and in bike lanes. If ebikes are not legally defined as bicycles, then most buyers would not have a use for them. (I said most.)
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I have nothing against E-bikes but I know me. The day I can't ride a bike (hope that never comes) I will be on my Ducati a lot more.
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Originally Posted by Classtime View Post
Only electric motor bikes riders or people who contemplate becoming electric motor bike riders or people in the business of selling same would equate the difference between a fixed gear bike and a geared bike to be the same as the difference between bicycle and an electric motor bike. That is crazy talk. The industry understands this and is trying to use PA instead of ebike because PA is pedal assist just like gears are pedal assist.

I have never had a KOM but after 3 open heart surgeries, I do get an occasional PR and riding a bike has always been fun for me. I'd like to get a vintage Vespa. That would be fun too. But my wife says, "No motorcycles!".

We have a discussion because ebike sales depend on buyers using them on MUPs and in bike lanes. If ebikes are not legally defined as bicycles, then most buyers would not have a use for them. (I said most.)
I never said that, But, some people on here seem to think I did... What I said was, "the end result" is assistance, mechanical assistance or E-Motor assistance... I would wager my next pension cheque that if the assistance of gearing (mechanical advantage) was looked down upon as much as the E-Motor and wasn't available to use, maybe as much as 90% of the people who ride bicycles today would stop riding them, because they couldn't make it without that "assistance"... JMO... and as for the E-Motor assistance, I'm talking the Legal EU level and type of E-Bike assistance, NOT the Legal US levels for E-Bikes...

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