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Old 10-16-18, 09:10 AM
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Brake Shifters on my Surly Disc Trucker?

Just purchased a Disc Trucker, put over 100 miles on it and I can not get comfortable with the Bar End shifters. Has anyone put Break Shifters on the Disc Trucker and would I need to change the Derailleurs. I'm considering 105s
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How many speeds and which dérailleurs does your bike have? Road dérailleurs and some mountain dérailleurs will work. The 105 you are looking should match the number of speeds on your bike.
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10 speed with Shimano XT RD-T780 rear derailleurs.
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Road shifters won't work with Shimano MTB derailleurs 10sp or above, different cable pull ratio. If you want Shimano 105 10speed (aka 5700) you'd need to get a 105 10sp RD.

That said, Shimano 5700 sucks. (obviously this is opinion but it's based on my experience.)

While you're upgrading might as well go to 11-speed (if your hub can fit an 11-speed cassette). Or go with 10-speed Tiagra (which isn't compatible with 10-speed 105 for some reason.)
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Old 10-16-18, 11:51 AM
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If he wants to keep the 34t cog on the back he will need a RD that can accommodate that.
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Have you considered Gevenalle shifters? They are identical to bar end or down tube shifters but mounted at the brake lever. By default the complete set comes with Microshift indexed shift levers. I bought their Audax model (brake levers and bosses only without shifters) and installed Rivendell Silver friction shifters. Love them! You might be able to re-use shift levers from your Surly on Audax bosses. No need to change derailleurs.

The video at the top of this page compares the Gevenalle's function side by side with Shimano STIs...

https://www.gevenalle.com/shifters/

edit- Yep! you can transfer your bar end levers to the Gevenalle Audax bosses...

" Compatible units include Shimano 7, 8, 9, 10 and 11 speed bar-end and down-tube shifters."

That said, I'm not sure if the Audax brake lever is available for your long pull brakes. Several other models with shifters included (CX and GX) are made for long pull. You probably should consult the mfr to confirm compatibility with your brakes and derailleur if you're interested.

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Is Tiagra compatible with mtb stuff? I thought I read somewhere that there was an oddball road shifter that was mtb compatible. If Tiagra isn’t compatible with other road derailers, maybe it is with mtb derailers?
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Faq

Often ,, as posted here many times before..
+1 ...
If you buy Gevenalle brake levers you can move the same shifter
onto the front of that brake lever.

By keeping the left shifter, friction , you resolve all the incompatibility front derailleur issues .
others have mentioned , above..




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Originally Posted by 54OldnWay View Post
Just purchased a Disc Trucker, put over 100 miles on it and I can not get comfortable with the Bar End shifters. Has anyone put Break Shifters on the Disc Trucker and would I need to change the Derailleurs. I'm considering 105s Thanks Bill
Your best option is learn to love your Microshift barcons. As other posters have stated, conversion to brake-shifters (aka brifters) would be costly, additionally the brake calipers on Surly DT are the long-cable-pull / MTB version, so you'd also need new short-cable-pull brake calipers for compatibility with brifters. You're looking at $300-400 cost, possibly less if your LBS is willing to swap parts.
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Originally Posted by 3speed View Post
Is Tiagra compatible with mtb stuff? I thought I read somewhere that there was an oddball road shifter that was mtb compatible. If Tiagra isn’t compatible with other road derailers, maybe it is with mtb derailers?
I don't think so -- going off memory here but 10-speed Tiagra cable pull is different than 10-speed 105 because they wanted Tiagra derailleurs to be compatible with Shimano 11-speed 105 and Ultegra.

Shimano 10-speed (105 and Ultegra) road shifters will work with older Shimano 9-speed MTB (non-clutch) derailleurs. I used a 105 shifter and a 9-speed Deore derailleur with an 11-36 cassette for a while. Shifting was sloppy though and the 11-36 was overkill so now I use an 11-32 and a road derailleur.

Also I think SRAM road and MTB stuff is cross-compatible, or at least it used to be.

Anyway now I use Campy
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Another plus one for Gevenalle Audax (or any of their "brifters") I use them on my Co-Motion and they are excellent. The only qualm I have is I am not a huge fan of the actual levers themselves, they are fine quality but not as ergonomic as I would like but you can go hydraulic and get their shifters mounted on TRP Hylex levers. The actual design is excellent and I am so glad I switched to them on my touring bike and I semi-regret not putting them on my Phil Wood build but I couldn't fathom losing the Dura-Ace 7400 levers even if it means downtube shifters.
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My wife a few years was a complete bike novice. Her first real bike was a Specialized cross bike. Her bike now is a Surly with mustachio bars and the usual bar end shifters. She got used to it and never talks about it any more.

I would suggest keep riding and you will also get used to it and maybe even start to enjoy the motion of moving hour hands to the shifter.
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Some mis-matched deraileurs and shifters can be made to work with a Jtek adapter. You would have to research which one to make them work. But I think that is limited to the rear, last time I checked they did not make an adapter for the front.
Jtek ShiftMate Gear Shifting Adapter for Shimano Campagnolo and SRAM components

On my rando bike I am running a brifter for the rear, downtube friction shifter for the front. As noted above, a front friction shifter solves the problem of incompatability.
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Originally Posted by waddo View Post
My wife a few years was a complete bike novice. Her first real bike was a Specialized cross bike. Her bike now is a Surly with mustachio bars and the usual bar end shifters. She got used to it and never talks about it any more.

I would suggest keep riding and you will also get used to it and maybe even start to enjoy the motion of moving hour hands to the shifter.
I am still making adjustments to my setup so I will stay with the BarEnd shifters for a while. Not sure what moving hour hands to shifters mean
Thanks all for the reply's
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Meaning the shifters don't lay under your fingers, With hands on the drop bar brake hoods

so you move one or both hands to the bottom of the drop bars to shift..
Its a Tour not a race.. enjoy the scenery ..

(Though there are racing tours, (each June, on transamerica route )
but they ride race bikes)




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Originally Posted by fietsbob View Post
Meaning the shifters don't lay under your fingers, With hands on the drop bar brake hoods

so you move one or both hands to the bottom of the drop bars to shift..
Its a Tour not a race.. enjoy the scenery ..

(Though there are racing tours, (each June, on transamerica route )
but they ride race bikes)




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Thank you
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Originally Posted by 3speed View Post
Is Tiagra compatible with mtb stuff? I thought I read somewhere that there was an oddball road shifter that was mtb compatible. If Tiagra isn’t compatible with other road derailers, maybe it is with mtb derailers?
7,8, and 9 speed road levers work with 7,8,9 speed MTB rear derailleurs. Need to get a road front der, though.
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FYI, Brifter is not a thing. Try STI Lever or just road shifter levers.

" Shimano Total Integration (STI) is a gearshift system designed by Shimano for racing bicycles. It combines the braking and gear shifting controls into the same component. This allows shifting gears without having to remove a hand from the bars, unlike previous down tube shifting systems."

So it's safer too.
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FYI, Brifter is not a thing. Try STI Lever or just road shifter levers.

" Shimano Total Integration (STI) is a gearshift system designed by Shimano for racing bicycles. It combines the braking and gear shifting controls into the same component. This allows shifting gears without having to remove a hand from the bars, unlike previous down tube shifting systems."

So it's safer too.
STI would be more descriptive if they had never made STI MTB levers. Unfortunately they did.

I guess it's been long enough now since the STI MTB stuff was made that it would only confuse those familiar with C&V MTB stuff.

Also, brifter can refer to Campagnolo, Sram, Microshift brifters, which can be useful when brand doesn't matter.
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I wanted to convert from 3X9/bar-end shifters to road triple STI/hydraulic levers but Shimano doesn't seem to make a wide-range touring version. To me getting STI w/o hydraulic means spending $$ for half a loaf. Gevenalle/TRP Hylex combo looks nice but ~$400 upgrade. Bar-end is a bit more effort but I think moving hands/arms helps circulation a bit.
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Originally Posted by LesterOfPuppets View Post
STI would be more descriptive if they had never made STI MTB levers. Unfortunately they did.

I guess it's been long enough now since the STI MTB stuff was made that it would only confuse those familiar with C&V MTB stuff.

Also, brifter can refer to Campagnolo, Sram, Microshift brifters, which can be useful when brand doesn't matter.
Like I said, Brifter is not a thing. If you don't like STI(Shimano is the pioneer), try road shifter.
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I'm going to ask a different question.

What is it you don't like about bar end shifters? Perhaps the issue is with your handlebars or with the angle of the shifters. I have bar ends on my touring bike, and my bar of choice is an older randonneuring bar, narrow at the shoulder with a bit of an upcurve, and flared a bit at the ends. Also, the bottoms of my bars are not horizontal, but are angled to be in line with the rear brake pads, and the shifters themselves are not vertical, but are angled out a bit. I'm not sure from your post what you don't like about your shifters, but I would play a bit with angles to see whether that makes a difference for you.
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brifter, accepted term for any road brake/shifting system, no matter the brand.

Oldway, unfortunately as mentioned, you're looking at at least 400 bucks+ for a change to brifter type shifters. X dollars for the actual shifter units, X dollars for a 10 speed brifter compatible rear derailleur that can handle up to 34t, and the mechanic time for installation and changing of cables and maybe housings.

Gevenalle ones are about 200 or so, but may not be your cup of tea. I love mine but thats me and they are not as fun as using brifters.
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What is it you don't like about bar end shifters? Perhaps the issue is with your handlebars or with the angle of the shifters. I have bar ends on my touring bike, and my bar of choice is an older randonneuring bar, narrow at the shoulder with a bit of an upcurve, and flared a bit at the ends. Also, the bottoms of my bars are not horizontal, but are angled to be in line with the rear brake pads, and the shifters themselves are not vertical, but are angled out a bit. I'm not sure from your post what you don't like about your shifters, but I would play a bit with angles to see whether that makes a difference for you.

As I stated I've only put about 150 miles on the bike and the over all setup is still a work in progress. I should note all my bikes are road bikes with Break Shifters. Last week I did 100 mile round trip pulling a trailer in traffic, at times with a narrow shoulder and when I needed to shift I was fumbling around for the shifter or I had to take my eyes off the road. If I was on my road bike it would not have been an issue.. I'm not planning on making any changes to the shifters and will work on getting comfortable with them but wanted to know my options.

Thanks again for all the feed back
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Like I said, Brifter is not a thing. If you don't like STI(Shimano is the pioneer), try road shifter.
Road shifter is a little vague.

STI is too vague also, you mean STI like these? https://www.cyclesuperstore.ie/shop/...dproduct=17815
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