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Old 05-08-19, 03:16 PM
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Dog behavior question

I went to visit distant relatives at their home.
They have 2 big dogs.

At first, they keep jumping on to you like they are very friendly.

But, one act wierd when you stare at it...it will start growling. Once, I was sitting on a chair on the dinner table, the dog was under the table...I looked down and it looked up...when our eyes met, the dog immediately growled and snarled like it got rabies or sumthing, and its mouth jumped toward my hand. I don't know if it was trying to bite me or not. But I was like wtf!...this is a crazy mutt.
The owner yelled at the dog to stop it...but didn't seem too concerned.
This scenario played out with the same dog and another visiting relative. And I definitely saw the dog's mouth loungh toward the reltavie's hand as if trying to bite it...but the relative moved his hand away just in time.

Okay, my reaction is this is dangerous...this crazy mutt is going to nuts and hurt someone some day.

What is going on?

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Old 05-08-19, 03:20 PM
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Dominance.

The appropriate response in this case is to mount the dog from behind.

But, seriously, this is a dominance behavioral issue that represents a HUGE fail on the part of the owner.

If a dog jumps up on you, knee it in the chest and knock it over.
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Originally Posted by wgscott View Post
But, seriously, this is a dominance behavioral issue that represents a HUGE fail on the part of the owner.
The owner said I was scaring her dog. She ask her guests not to make eye contact with the dog.

But eventually we convinced her to put the dogs into the cage until we leave.

I hope they never have kids visiting.

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Old 05-08-19, 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by wgscott View Post
If a dog jumps up on you, knee it in the chest and knock it over.
You meaning like in kick boxing? Won't it break dog ribs?
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When a dog is jumping on you the correct response is to turn your back on it. As soon as it calms down and acts normal, then reward it with a pat. All the squawking and yelling you do when it's jumping is rewarding the bad behaviour. As for the growling and snapping, that dog needs some serious work with a dog behaviourist. It should have been stamped out when it was a puppy, but now the behaviour is ingrained and it's not likely you can make any difference in short visits other to suggest to get some training for it and to make sure it's locked up.when guests visit, especially children.
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Originally Posted by Trevtassie View Post
When a dog is jumping on you the correct response is to turn your back on it. As soon as it calms down and acts normal, then reward it with a pat. All the squawking and yelling you do when it's jumping is rewarding the bad behaviour. As for the growling and snapping, that dog needs some serious work with a dog behaviourist. It should have been stamped out when it was a puppy, but now the behaviour is ingrained and it's not likely you can make any difference in short visits other to suggest to get some training for it and to make sure it's locked up.when guests visit, especially children.
I heard the dog snarl at the owner too once. It was a quick snarl , not as vicious as the snarl it gave me.

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Originally Posted by mtb_addict View Post
You meaning like in kick boxing? Won't it break dog ribs?
Most dogs are rather robust. You just want to make it unpleasant (anti-reward). You don't want to hurt the thing. Turning away doesn't discourage dominance, but might be enough, depending on the dog.
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Originally Posted by mtb_addict View Post
I heard the dog snarl at the owner too once. It was a quick snarl , not as vicious as the snarl it gave me.
Probably a good chance it'll bite someone if there's no intervention by someone who knows what they're doing.
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I find rewarding a dog with treats can make it your friend for life - they see you as a source of goodies, not a threat to their territory. Always ask the owner first (the dog will never say no to treats!). This has worked with our dog and our neighbors, now she's always happy to see them at the edge of the garden (because they might have something good for her!), instead of barking at them.
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Originally Posted by mtb_addict View Post
You meaning like in kick boxing? Won't it break dog ribs?
Originally Posted by wgscott View Post
Most dogs are rather robust. You just want to make it unpleasant (anti-reward). You don't want to hurt the thing. Turning away doesn't discourage dominance, but might be enough, depending on the dog.
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If a dog jumps up on you, knee it in the chest and knock it over.
I've done this with my own dogs, and others dogs that have tried to jump on me.
You have to hit them hard enough to left their back feet off the ground. It may sound cruel or mean, but it doesn't hurt them, and lets them know that you won't stand for that behavior. Once or twice is all it takes.
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Old 05-09-19, 11:44 AM
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In a case like this (on the eye contact thing), where you are visiting I would ask the owner to put the dogs up while you are there both for your safety as well as that of the dogs.
There are a number of responses you can use to illicit better behavior from the dog, however given the size of the animal you describe, your short visit, and it's not knowing you it could result in your being severely injured, or it.

The best lesson you could teach the dog would depend both on your being fast and strong enough to physically hold the dog down. It lunges at you and you use your hand to forcefully grab the dog by the back of it's neck and head, holding it down while very forcefully telling it no in a "growling" voice. The biggest issue here is that with that behavior being unchecked in the animal all this time it will likely jump up and want to fight. It would depend on you being willing to (as stated above) kick the **** out of it and grab it, hold it down again, and show it that you are the stronger dominant alpha animal.

I have seen variable results by using sunglasses in a situation like this.

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Old 05-09-19, 12:13 PM
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This is not a dog behavior question OP, its really a respectful relatives question. I'm sorry to have to say this but your relative are telling you that the dog is more important to them than you are.

If a visiting friend or relative has any issue with my dog for whatever reason the dog gets put outside or into another room. Your dog should never be allowed to pounce on a guest. And you shouldn't assume that its OK to let it happen. If the guest is a dog lover, they'll let you know.
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Old 05-09-19, 12:18 PM
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It's a poorly trained/socialized dog. Nothing you can do in the short term unless you have
. The owner would need to make a serious effort to curb this behavior, but it doesn't seem the owner is equipped to do this.
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^ I loved watching that guy. Shame he is dead. He had a very firm understanding of what makes dogs tick. I have had very good luck with behavior modification of both (most of) my own pets as well as others with things I already knew and things he taught me. The only animals I have known that were more stubborn than those teachings are Dachshunds. They are so willfully stubborn it's almost unbelievable.
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^ I loved watching that guy. Shame he is dead.
He is not dead.

According to Wikipedia.

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He is not dead.
Well, I'll be danged, they got me. I believed the "hoax" or misinformation. Stoopid interwebz
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Why don't people get professional help for their dogs? Is it because it's expensive? How much does it cost to get good professional to fix a behavior problem?

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Well, I'll be danged, they got me. I believed the "hoax" or misinformation. Stoopid interwebz
Haha - what was the fake story? "Cesar Millan killed by his own pitbulls"?
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It’s not that hard to train a dog not to jump on people. I did it with a golden retriever who just wanted to be friendly and sniff peoples faces. I would simply ask the owners to keep the dog away from strangers until they have trained it better.

When a dog growls at a stranger they may just be defending its space from what it deems to be an intruder especially inside a home. AVOID eye contact. Staring an aggressive dog in the eyes is a challenge. Also do not smile at the dog as it can see the bearing of teeth as a challenge and most importantly punishment is not an effective training method because it just damages the dog’s trust in people and can make the behaviour worse….and trying to be more alpha is crazy and teaches it humans are aggressive and they just need to be more aggressive.

I come across stray dogs on my rides in the old industrial areas here and always have treats i can use to tell them i’m friendly. There’s a couple that i’ve seen numerous times and they now always come up to me for treats and a petting. However I do carry all natural dog pepper spray but i’ve only used it once in the years i’ve ridden.
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Haha - what was the fake story? "Cesar Millan killed by his own pitbulls"?
A story had come out some years ago that he died from a heart attack. Various outlets had that he had committed suicide. I took the hook, I guess.
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Well, I'll be danged, they got me. I believed the "hoax" or misinformation. Stoopid interwebz
Wikipedia says his dog 'Daddy' died few years ago.
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A story had come out some years ago that he died from a heart attack. Various outlets had that he had committed suicide. I took the hook, I guess.
Those dang supermarket checkout tabloids. When will you learn?
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Those dang supermarket checkout tabloids. When will you learn?
Where am I going to find out about how Bat Boy and Elvis are doing and where they have been?
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Originally Posted by mtb_addict View Post
Why don't people get professional help for their dogs? Is it because it's expensive? How much does it cost to get good professional to fix a behavior problem?
I'm sure it would cost hundreds, which is what, a couple months of dog food?
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