acidfast7

Depending on your financial situation, just having a house in certain countries like Spain gives one permanent residence and access to citizenship (Green Card in the US). So, it's something to consider.

€500K in Spain
€300K in Cypress
€70K in Latvia

personally, I'd rather be in Latvia!

something to consider

I-Like-To-Bike

To be a bit more accurate, this thread is about the OP's concern about what he thinks other people might be thinking.

acidfast7

To be fair, it's quite important to understand how others perceive your actions. Whether or not to act on that understanding is a different question.

no motor?

Me too.

CB HI

I am also of the opinion that the premise is all screwed up.

I always feel privileged when I have a week or even a month to go back packing or bicycle touring in the woods. The less privileged are those without the free time from work.

Same with cycle commuting. The route I would drive in has again been named the second worst traffic commute in the USA. It certainly not a privilege for those motorist who will not consider cycle commuting to sit in their cages on the freeway while I am enjoying riding a bicycle.

I-Like-To-Bike

What "understanding" (not guesswork or fabrication) of anybody's perceptions was revealed in the OP other than the OP's vague memory of having read or heard something, somewhere about the OP subject?

AdamDZ

Hey Thanks!

acidfast7

You sounded very dismissive of the value of perception by others. I think that's very naïve and am stating it, for the record

JimJimex

Okay.

If you have a house, don't camp, because you will offend homeless people who actually cannot afford a house.

If you have a car, don't bike, run, jog, or walk to work, because you will be offending poor people who actually cannot afford a car.

You know what, if you can sit down, don't stand up, because you will be offending poor people who actually have to stand all day in their jobs.

By the way, if you can stand up, don't sit down, because you will be offending unfortunate people who actually cannot stand up and are bound to wheelchairs for life.

Also, don't stay up late, because you will offend people who actually truly suffer from insomnia.

Did I mention don't sleep? You will be offending people who actually suffer from chronic fatigue sleep disorder.

And finally, to that punk show guy: if you can't think, don't speak, because you will offend people who can actually think.

spare_wheel

i walk or ride because low occupancy motorvehicles kill and maim, cause disease, and poison our shared environment.

acidfast7

I read a study that calculated CO2 produced/kcal eaten ... and if someone burned 1000 extra kcal/day ... and ate more food to replace those kcals ... it wasn't super green compared to efficient public transport

I do like to bike though

edit: crap summary is here: https://timeforchange.org/eat-less-me...ission-of-food

essentially 1 kg of meat is roughly 6L (1.5 gals of fuel burned).

it is interesting to think that way, however, I know you state that you're vegan.

Andy_K 

I actually saw it as being about what other people feel. It's all well and fine to go through life not caring what other people think. It's something different to not care about what other people feel.

Mark Stone

I would agree with that if we were referring to one of many social issues that are critical - racism, or bigotry against certain lifestyles, etc. However, we are talking about riding bicycles to work, which shouldn't offend anyone. In that context, it's silly to worry about what people think; and people that would "feel" any hurt because a bicyclist would ride even though they own a car has their sensibilities misplaced.

spare_wheel

and for essentially the same reasons...

acidfast7

FWIW, I'm not actually sure those value take into account transport.

I tend to garden in front of my flat, but that's because I'm lazy and England has no understanding of spice.

I-Like-To-Bike

Not exactly. I dismiss spacey, totally unsupported statements about what other people might be thinking as the guesswork and conjuring (at best) that they are, and certainly do not take such alleged "perceptions" as a given for the purpose of discussion.

Heck the OP did not claim having any perception of anything, but only repeated/tossed out some chum that he thinks he may have read or heard somewhere.

Ramona_W

Only read title of the thread then came to post "Yes". Will now go back and read other posts. #41ier

megalowmatt

This is one of the weirdest threads here in a long while.

turky lurkey

LOL! I seriously cracked up when I read that!

JoeyBike

I dismiss spacey, totally unsupported statements about what other people might be thinking by moving on to another thread that might suit my tastes better.

acidfast7

I think this thread needs a soundtrack (press play):

https://fm4.orf.at/7tage#20140308/SS

italktocats

thats why i dont mind paying my taxes; i dont have enough money left to buy a new bike every month and there are zero homeless people in this area

acidfast7

ja!

the UK is like a wasteland compared to the continent.

i love my days in CPH where stuff actually works even if it is 149 DKK (28 USD) for a crappy and drink!

trailmix

I started a new job last week and on Friday one of the guys said "when did you lose your license?". I was a little confused until I realized he was talking about my choice in transportation. I guess he couldn't understand why somebody want to ride a bike when it is 20 degrees outside. Actually I have a drivers license and a commercial pilots license, maybe I should start flying to work.

illdoittomorrow

IMO the writer of that sentiment likely has no experience with camping, homelessness, or people who have experienced either.

You've not only won this thread, but you could copy/paste this into just about any other thread and win it, too!