Any lightweight Ti bikes?
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Suggest OP tries again with, Lightest ti frame?
That1.3kg seems pretty light for ti. Be surprised if there's anything much lighter.
That1.3kg seems pretty light for ti. Be surprised if there's anything much lighter.
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My Lynskey is a little under 20 pounds for a 61 cm top tube bike. It could be lighter. Swap all the lower grade Campagnolo out for Super Record. Swap EPS for mechanical (no way!). Carbon fiber handlebars and stem, saddle and a lighter fork. A set of Ti or CF pedals. That might get me a three pounds.
I could save maybe a pound by switching over to Lightweight Meilenstein Obermayer tubular wheels and tubular tires, but then I would also need to get down from a fairly trim 105 kg, not including the bike, to the 90 kg limit on the wheels. I might be able to do that, but it would mean losing over 20 kg. And for probably $8,000 USD.
I think I'll stick with what I have.
I could save maybe a pound by switching over to Lightweight Meilenstein Obermayer tubular wheels and tubular tires, but then I would also need to get down from a fairly trim 105 kg, not including the bike, to the 90 kg limit on the wheels. I might be able to do that, but it would mean losing over 20 kg. And for probably $8,000 USD.
I think I'll stick with what I have.
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My custom ti frame built by a small builder didn’t cost as much as you might think. In 2016 it was around $3,500. May have been a bit less. Just don’t remember the exact price. The Cerakote finish added another $250 or so.
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Pretty sure US(?)$3.5k in 2006 dollars is a fair bit for a frame in anyone's money...
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Does anybody weigh their road Ti bikes? My lousy Motobecane in size 59cm, Ultegra 11sp mechanical, rim brakes and alloy wheels Campy Shamal is about 8.5 kg. A Lynskey representative wrote me that their typical road bike builds are 20 - 22 pounds (9 - 10 kg). Isn't it a tad too heavy for Ti? My old steel Bianchi Veloce 10sp was about 10 kilos.
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But the cerakote finish sounds nice.
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The frame alone cost $3,500? Or the entire bike? I recently bought a complete Ti bike, and it was substantially more than that. Yes, there were carbon parts to enhance the bling and keep the weight down, but I didn't buy two, though I wanted to do so. Decided to suffer with the aluminum frame bikepacking bike that I already had. It's only a few extra pounds. And by "a few", I mean 6-7.
But the cerakote finish sounds nice.
But the cerakote finish sounds nice.
The builder estimated the work on the frame was 60 hrs., though not all of that was active time. For example, the frame sat in a bath for 4 hrs. to remove surface impurities. My ex is in the process of having one built. I’ll see if I can get a price. He’s a meticulous guy, and his shop is amazing. Won best MTB at NAHBS twice back in the 2000s. Got mine just before he started making his own dropouts and doing discs.
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So thsts $4500 for the frame in today's $.
Then $840 in current $ for fork and coating.
$5400 out the door for a frame and fork. This is relative for each of us, but deadgrandpa's comment doesn't seem too far out there.
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Does anybody weigh their road Ti bikes? My lousy Motobecane in size 59cm, Ultegra 11sp mechanical, rim brakes and alloy wheels Campy Shamal is about 8.5 kg. A Lynskey representative wrote me that their typical road bike builds are 20 - 22 pounds (9 - 10 kg). Isn't it a tad too heavy for Ti? My old steel Bianchi Veloce 10sp was about 10 kilos.
i purchased a very small Veritas titanium road bike used for $675 and have changed out the wheels, cassette, handlebars, stem, seatpost, saddle & pedals to personalize it for me. The fact that it is my lightest road bike (so far), is a real plus. The oversized top tube and down tube, the titanium tubing’s built in shock absorption combined with my decision to do an experiment to see if a “too small” bike can be adapted for my just sub 6’ height...has delighted and surprised me. I have learned so much from this build. Sloping top tube and maximum exposure of the Ritchey “Flexlogic” seatpost makes a crazy comfortable perch that is shock absorbing for bad pavement but super tossable for out of saddle climbing, I love it:
A slightly smaller frame is a lighter frame too.
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The frame alone cost $3,500? Or the entire bike? I recently bought a complete Ti bike, and it was substantially more than that. Yes, there were carbon parts to enhance the bling and keep the weight down, but I didn't buy two, though I wanted to do so. Decided to suffer with the aluminum frame bikepacking bike that I already had. It's only a few extra pounds. And by "a few", I mean 6-7.
But the cerakote finish sounds nice.
But the cerakote finish sounds nice.
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I can't say if a Moots is "that much better", but I can say that it is made in a high wage rate country. The materials don't cost much more for a North American, European, Japanese or other high wage rate country builder. It is labor. Including engineering, and the Lynskey R350 I have is a more sophisticated design than the Habanero. I am not saying it is better, because I really don't know. I am saying that the Lynskey takes more skilled labor time to fabricate than the Habanero.
My Lynskey was also made in a high wage rate country, but I am a bottom feeder. I got just the frame on sale for under $1,000 and built it up with eBay finds, like a Campagnolo Chorus EPS for under $400, and used an already owned wheel set which I can move between bikes. All told it was right around $2,000 to build. Lynskey wants a little under $3000 for a brand new Helix Pro with 105 group set and rim brakes.
My Lynskey was also made in a high wage rate country, but I am a bottom feeder. I got just the frame on sale for under $1,000 and built it up with eBay finds, like a Campagnolo Chorus EPS for under $400, and used an already owned wheel set which I can move between bikes. All told it was right around $2,000 to build. Lynskey wants a little under $3000 for a brand new Helix Pro with 105 group set and rim brakes.
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My Ti bike cost just less than $3000 for the entire bike. Has Ultegra 6800 full. Now to be sure I just sent a regular check in the mail to avoid the cost of credit cards for the maker, and I got a great price. I cannot believe some of the higher prices especially Moots. Are they that much better?
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My Lynsey R270 Disc, in ML with Ultegra, came in at about 21 lbs, or 9.5 kilo. Not that light, but there are easy places to lose hundreds of grams at a time were I so inclined:
- Swapping out the Conti Ultra Sports for some GP5k could save about 50g per wheel (done on rear wheel)
- The Vision Team 30 wheels are quoted at 1900g, a set of nice 30mm profile carbon wheels could save 500g on that
- The stock FSA seatpost is heavy enough to carry around as a weapon, switched it for a Thomson Masterpiece, saved 150g there
- Swapping the 11-34 cassette (which I don’t really need around NYC) for an 11-30 can save 70g
So just doing the swaps I want could get the bike down 820g, or nearly 2lbs from stock weight. This doesn’t even factor in true lightweight parts or considerations, such as carbon handlebars, race tires, latex tubes, or a carbon railed saddle, which could squeeze out another 400g/1lbs. Of course, at 185-190 lbs, I’m much more than 2-3lbs over ideal, so skipping the Oreos while working from home could probably offer just as much benefit...
edited to correct an autocorrect that corrected wrongly.
- Swapping out the Conti Ultra Sports for some GP5k could save about 50g per wheel (done on rear wheel)
- The Vision Team 30 wheels are quoted at 1900g, a set of nice 30mm profile carbon wheels could save 500g on that
- The stock FSA seatpost is heavy enough to carry around as a weapon, switched it for a Thomson Masterpiece, saved 150g there
- Swapping the 11-34 cassette (which I don’t really need around NYC) for an 11-30 can save 70g
So just doing the swaps I want could get the bike down 820g, or nearly 2lbs from stock weight. This doesn’t even factor in true lightweight parts or considerations, such as carbon handlebars, race tires, latex tubes, or a carbon railed saddle, which could squeeze out another 400g/1lbs. Of course, at 185-190 lbs, I’m much more than 2-3lbs over ideal, so skipping the Oreos while working from home could probably offer just as much benefit...
edited to correct an autocorrect that corrected wrongly.
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Thank you for the insightful answer. If the frame is only 20% of the weight what about other bike parts contributions to the final number - wheels, components, etc? Say, if I want the best bang for the buck where should I look?
On the other hand, if frame weight is not that important then why carbon frames are all the rage these days? Is it because carbon is much easier to manufacture than dealing with metal?
On the other hand, if frame weight is not that important then why carbon frames are all the rage these days? Is it because carbon is much easier to manufacture than dealing with metal?
Carbon can be shaped to make a frame more aerodynamic and still be reasonably light.
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My frame builder charges $1K more for a titanium vs. steel frame. At the time, I didn't want to spring for it, but now I realize that is a very good deal (and he has a great reputation, so it really is a good deal, although his steel frames are by no means inexpensive either).