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64cm Carbon Frame? or Light Steel?

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Old 05-07-18, 03:25 PM
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How tall are you?

A Soma Smoothie might work.They offer a 62cm and a 66cm

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Originally Posted by hexron
Is Gunnar or Soma the lightest steel bike you get new right now?
gunnar will be quality tubing thats butted to match the frame's size.

soma smoothie is made with Tange Prestige, but they dont advertise the butting details and the devil is in the details. Also, Tange now is not tange from 30 years ago. Just a clarification.

The Kona Roadhouse has a 64cm stack height.

ill plug the Black Mountain cycles road frameset. Its inexpensive, well finished, uses quality heat treated butted tubing, and will be close to all but the most boutique of large steel frames. A carbon fork looks sharp on the frsmeset too.
i have a gravel frame and absolutely love it. Fantastic price for quality.


i just completed a handbuilt lugged steel frame that is 65cm. The frame and fork are right at 3000g +/- 50g. It will build up to be just under 21# when complete.
a carbon fork would cut almost 1.2# off the total, for what its worth.
i used Columbus Zona tubing that is .7/.5/.7 butted main tubes, .7 seat stays, and .8/.6 chainstays.
mentioning all this so you have a realistic idea of what steel will weigh.
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Originally Posted by noodle soup
il massimo makes some nice steel frames in 64cm, and right now many are very affordable.

Steel Road Bike Frames Made in Italy!
$850 for a frame with custom geo, spirit tubing and made in italy, great offer
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Originally Posted by bleui
$850 for a frame with custom geo, spirit tubing and made in italy, great offer
Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think they offer custom geometry. I'd be all over that.
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Originally Posted by noodle soup
Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think they offer custom geometry. I'd be all over that.
yeah I think you're right, that sale price is for their inventory clearance.
They should change their "Purely Custom, Artisan Frames - Handmade in Italy" tagline then
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Originally Posted by mstateglfr
gunnar will be quality tubing thats butted to match the frame's size.

soma smoothie is made with Tange Prestige, but they dont advertise the butting details and the devil is in the details. Also, Tange now is not tange from 30 years ago. Just a clarification.

The Kona Roadhouse has a 64cm stack height.

ill plug the Black Mountain cycles road frameset. Its inexpensive, well finished, uses quality heat treated butted tubing, and will be close to all but the most boutique of large steel frames. A carbon fork looks sharp on the frsmeset too.
i have a gravel frame and absolutely love it. Fantastic price for quality.


i just completed a handbuilt lugged steel frame that is 65cm. The frame and fork are right at 3000g +/- 50g. It will build up to be just under 21# when complete.
a carbon fork would cut almost 1.2# off the total, for what its worth.
i used Columbus Zona tubing that is .7/.5/.7 butted main tubes, .7 seat stays, and .8/.6 chainstays.
mentioning all this so you have a realistic idea of what steel will weigh.
here's a link that includes an explanation of the tubing Some uses.

https://www.bikeforums.net/framebuil...e-quality.html
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Originally Posted by noodle soup
here's a link that includes an explanation of the tubing Some uses.

https://www.bikeforums.net/framebuil...e-quality.html
Good linked thread, thanks. 100% skeptical of them using .7/.4/.7 tubing on all the frames though. I would actually NOT want such a setup when it comes to their Saga touring bike and Wolverine cross frames. Soma actually mentions larger Saga frames have thicker tubing(but again, they dont mention what it is).
This also doesnt take into account the butting profile which matters a lot for weight and feel.

But anyways- interesting thread you linked.
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Originally Posted by bleui
yeah I think you're right, that sale price is for their inventory clearance.
They should change their "Purely Custom, Artisan Frames - Handmade in Italy" tagline then
I agree.

That said, I know some cyclists who ride a stock frame that the bike shop set up with "custom" sized stem/bars/groupset/saddle/wheels, and say their bike is "custom."

I just nod my head and smile.
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Originally Posted by datlas

That said, I know some cyclists who ride a stock frame that the bike shop set up with "custom" sized stem/bars/groupset/saddle/wheels, and say their bike is "custom."

I just nod my head and smile.
we both know someone with a "hand-built" Trek 1500
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Originally Posted by noodle soup
we both know someone with a "hand-built" Trek 1500
He's on vacation.
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Originally Posted by noodle soup
I'm concerned with your reading comprehension skills. I never said you were a broke-ass luddite, just like you never called me a weight-weenie with an unlimited budget.

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perhaps the two of you need more time out there on your respective saddles. Replace that energy with something more positive. Happy riding.
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Originally Posted by noodle soup
a Futureshock frameset? No thanks. Otherwise that’s a good deal.
Kind of ironic that you called someone a Luddite for not jumping on the cf wagon yet you are not down with the new Futureshock technology...
Almost all new tech goes through growing pains. Cf certainly did.
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Originally Posted by SteelyMan

perhaps the two of you need more time out there on your respective saddles. Replace that energy with something more positive. Happy riding.
Do you have anything useful to ad to the OP's question, or are you just looking to stir up some trouble?

Maybe your time would be better spent out on the road.
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Originally Posted by downhillmaster

Kind of ironic that you called someone a Luddite for not jumping on the cf wagon yet you are not down with the new Futureshock technology...
Almost all new tech goes through growing pains. Cf certainly did.
It's a shame you didn't read the whole thread. You might better understand the context of the comment, or maybe not.

And as I suspected, the "Futureshock" technology has had some issues,
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Originally Posted by noodle soup
It's a shame you didn't read the whole thread. You might better understand the context of the comment, or maybe not.

And as I suspected, the "Futureshock" technology has had some issues,
I read the whole thread.
And as was suspected back then, cf had some issues when it first came out.
What’s your point again?
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Originally Posted by downhillmaster

I read the whole thread.
And as was suspected back then, cf had some issues when it first came out.
What’s your point again?
Early adapters of new technologies, often run into problems with that technology. This was common with CF, Ti and aluminum, but those issues have mostly be fixed. We'll see if Futurshock has more issues over time.

Why are you commenting on a thread that's been dead for 11 months?
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The Canyon Endurace comes in a XXL size, it features a 610mm seat-tube and a 607mm virtual top-tube length. I have the XL and these fit even bigger riders than the dimensions might indicate.
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