DropBarFan

NuVinci is interesting concept but the hub is as heavy as a Pinion P.18. Perhaps with upgraded design & materials they could cut the weight to something reasonable? Moot point perhaps, their website seems to indicate they're concentrating on the e-bike market where the convenience will help & weight is not as crucial.

J.Higgins 

Hmmm... I wonder what would happen if you got it up to 88 mph...

stardognine

I bet you don't get a gear indicator window with that setup? 🤔😁

DanBell

You do, it's just VERY small.

tcs

It's sort of an E6B-type thing that hangs from the handlebars.

Tinker920er

Why not get a touring bike with a P18 gearbox and add a Rohloff 500/14 rear hub. With that combination if you can't find the right gear then you shouldn't even be riding a bike

J.Higgins 

If you added a Schlumpf drive to all that, you may just go back in time.

rm -rf

The cassette is only $379. 10-51 10-12-14-16-18-21-24-28-33-39-45-51

51!
These are for 1x12 drivetrains.

I'm waiting for 14 cogs for a 2x14 drivetrain: 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 20 22 25 28 32 36

Tourist in MSN

At 510 percent is the biggest cassette range I have ever seen, almost up to the Rohloff 526 percent range with a single chainring.

And it is cheaper than a Rohloff.

willibrord

Cassettes are more reliable than Rohloff, more durable too. I wonder if something like this at a quarter the price, will kill the rohloff?

fietsbob

I see it as Industry pushing more, and y'all follow, and not meeting consumer demand.. see: Bernays

Used Rohloff hubs are just fine, usually.... I got 2 used ones for the price of 1 new one..

that 1 cog can be flipped over * doubling its wear life. and costs less than your next 12 cog cassette

especially the new snap ring R'off cogs

*older screw on 13t that was not true, new 13t snap ring splined cogs can be flipped over..


Taiwan Vs Germany..






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Tourist in MSN

So the cassette I pulled off one of my bikes last summer was still good? I should not have recycled it. By now it probably is a fender on a Chevy.

But at least I still have the Rohloff on one of my other bikes, and it is not skipping any gears.

willibrord

What I meant was if a cassette cog starts to wear its not that difficult to replace it and carry on. Theres nothing user serviceable on a Rohloff, you have to return it to Germany to be serviced, which might be inconvenient if you are in Outer Mongolia.

fietsbob

• It like your car just needs an occasional oil change.. you incapable of that ??
• Why?

tspoon

To be fair, you'd have to consider the odds on getting a 12 speed cassette in Mongolia also. Or a 6...

willibrord

The cost of a yearly Rohloff oil change is equal to, if not more than the cost of replacing a cog in your cassette.

willibrord

If you have one or two cogs unusable in a 12 speed cassette, you could limp on until you get a cog. Then you could just replace it yourself, its not so hard.
Your Rohloff goes down, you have to send it to Germany. Your trip is over unless you can get a new bike.

fietsbob

No Rohloff has a US service center in Richmond Cal , now, it had one not far from there 10+ years ago.. a 1 man shop, then...

Personally, I go several years and get the oil wholesale in 250 ml bottles,

as I don't work in computers .. but bike shops.

you take home more money than I , Sop stop complaining.






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willibrord

Ok, I thot it had to go to Germany. Still from Outer Mongolia its much of a muchness.

I was just trying to point out that the new 12 speed cassette is much cheaper and likely more reliable than a Rohloff. Still some people like them and thats okay too.
I work contract in a competetive industry where cost of living is high, I don't make enough for expensive bikes, thats just the way it is.

Back to your regularly scheduled programming.

saddlesores

stuff is available...but probably going to be ueber-pricey, and limited stock.


trek, giant, cannondale have shops in ulaanbaatar. you can get express shipments from china/alibaba.

Tourist in MSN

I own several derailleur bikes, one Rohloff bike, each has advantages and disadvantages. For the Outer Mongolia trip you cite, I would take my Rohloff bike. Yes, there is a tiny chance of failure, but there are lots of other things that can go wrong too.

Regarding the 12 speed cassette under discussion, for derailleur bike for touring I am quite content with eight speed cassettes and a triple crank. The entire eight speed cassette/triple crank drive train with shifters costs less than the 12 speed cassette.

I was wondering why you were so down on Rohloffs, thanks for explaining. I was starting to wonder if you were one of the one or two percent of Rohloff owners that actually had a mechanical problem with them.

Abu Mahendra

...in terms of range, price, ubiquity, and maturity. Got 1x10 on my CC tourer, and that's all i need.

Abu Mahendra

yes, of course. But the point of Rohloff is bragging rights. Some here pooh-pooh, sneer at the expensive speed 1x12 rat-race yet they are the ones who, with no sense of irony or self-awareness, fell for the 1x14 boondaggle.

willibrord

If you have an extra $1000 to spend (I do not), better to upgrade to a carbon/bamboo frame than an expensive, finicky, over engineered piece of German agricultural equipment.

Tourist in MSN

Please do not take my non-response as concurrence, I just choose not to argue with you as you have clearly decided that you know more about Rohloffs than those of us that have toured on them.