What's Healthier, Cycling or Moderate Alcohol Use?
04-04-19, 09:30 AM
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Who ever said smoking 10 cigarettes a week was bad for you? That "fact" has not yet been established in this thread. It's probably no worse than drinking a bottle of wine during that same period. May as well just do both, plus a little glue-sniffing and Robitussin on the side.
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04-04-19, 10:10 AM
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So ... there you go.
Study finds a bottle of wine a week is as bad as smoking 10 cigarettes
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/he...6d607412f01fda
Study finds a bottle of wine a week is as bad as smoking 10 cigarettes
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/he...6d607412f01fda
04-04-19, 11:25 AM
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To be fair, the claim wasn't that alcohol was "the key to good health," but merely that moderate alcohol use (specifically wine) can confer several potential health benefits.
04-04-19, 12:14 PM
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All the supposed health benefits of drinking wine are exactly the same as drinking grape juice.
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04-04-19, 01:10 PM
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So ... there you go.
Study finds a bottle of wine a week is as bad as smoking 10 cigarettes
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/he...6d607412f01fda
Study finds a bottle of wine a week is as bad as smoking 10 cigarettes
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/he...6d607412f01fda
04-04-19, 04:29 PM
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I heard a dietician on NPR a few months ago, declaring that the often quoted benefits of chocolate and coffee and wine are in their antioxidants, of which people don't get enough because they don't eat enough fruits and vegetables. So really the choice is not between moderate alcohol abuse and cycling; it's between moderate alcohol abuse and rutabagas.
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04-04-19, 04:31 PM
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04-04-19, 05:26 PM
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There are two kinds of studies that find health benefits to drinking alcoholic beverages: poorly-controlled studies that misattribute the benefits of socialization to alcohol, and studies that point out that some alcohol beverages contain things other than ethanol that can circumstantially be good for you.
Ethanol itself is garbage for your health, period. It's carcinogenic, it's about as much of a metabolic dumpster fire as sugar, it raises blood pressure, and its diuretic behavior makes it difficult for you to stay well-hydrated even if you drink water afterwards. Not to mention the dangers of intoxication.
If you're still concerned that there might be some unknown benefit to trace amounts of ethanol, fear not: your digestive system naturally produces a few grams every day.
I drink beer because I like beer. But it's not healthy, and anyone saying otherwise is either being paid off, or is reaching for reasons to be in denial.
Ethanol itself is garbage for your health, period. It's carcinogenic, it's about as much of a metabolic dumpster fire as sugar, it raises blood pressure, and its diuretic behavior makes it difficult for you to stay well-hydrated even if you drink water afterwards. Not to mention the dangers of intoxication.
If you're still concerned that there might be some unknown benefit to trace amounts of ethanol, fear not: your digestive system naturally produces a few grams every day.
I drink beer because I like beer. But it's not healthy, and anyone saying otherwise is either being paid off, or is reaching for reasons to be in denial.
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04-04-19, 05:46 PM
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I come from a long line of people who don't do anything in moderation, especially alcohol. I'll take the bike.
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04-05-19, 06:26 AM
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BBC News: Even one drink a day increases stroke risk, study finds
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-47817650
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-47817650
04-05-19, 07:45 AM
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All the conflicting information in the last few years only seems to confirm that nobody knows what they hell they're talking about when it comes to alcohol...
04-05-19, 08:52 AM
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I've seen studies going both ways on just about everything since I was old enough to read back in the early sixties. Alcohol and exercise of any sorts included. Most all of these studies were touted as the end all undisputed authority.
04-05-19, 09:22 AM
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-- A drink a day keeps diabetes away?
There apparently are more than 100 studies that conclude there are health benefits to moderate alcohol consumption. Livestrong talks about 5 of the benefits-- i.e., a 40% cut in risk of heart disease, weight loss, reduced risk of diabetes, boosting brain power and prevention of gall stones. Everyone undoubtedly knows of the lives that have been ruined by alcoholism so there's an understandably deep-seated reticence to point out benefits to moderate drinkers and this societal reticence probably has it's greatest impact the definition of what constitutes 'moderate' drinking-- e.g., instead of 2 drinks a day for a male, for example, maybe it's really double that estimate...
My thought is, if you don't wake up in the morning wanting booze (e.g., you're having those 2 martinis at lunchtime) and you're not hiding alcohol in a vase on your desk at work or keep a wet bar in the trunk of your car or you're binging when you get home, you perhaps are not drinking immoderately. As far as definitions go, in California you're at least legal with a sub- .08 BAC level. Talk of being impaired at .05 is probably sounding like a phony scare tactic to those who enjoy a couple drinks and now see evidence that it's actually good for you... in moderation.
“One of the most consistent findings in recent nutrition research is that moderate alcohol consumption can improve health and lead to a longer life,” says Eric Rimm, Sc.D., associate professor of epidemiology and nutrition at the Harvard School of Public Health.
There apparently are more than 100 studies that conclude there are health benefits to moderate alcohol consumption. Livestrong talks about 5 of the benefits-- i.e., a 40% cut in risk of heart disease, weight loss, reduced risk of diabetes, boosting brain power and prevention of gall stones. Everyone undoubtedly knows of the lives that have been ruined by alcoholism so there's an understandably deep-seated reticence to point out benefits to moderate drinkers and this societal reticence probably has it's greatest impact the definition of what constitutes 'moderate' drinking-- e.g., instead of 2 drinks a day for a male, for example, maybe it's really double that estimate...
My thought is, if you don't wake up in the morning wanting booze (e.g., you're having those 2 martinis at lunchtime) and you're not hiding alcohol in a vase on your desk at work or keep a wet bar in the trunk of your car or you're binging when you get home, you perhaps are not drinking immoderately. As far as definitions go, in California you're at least legal with a sub- .08 BAC level. Talk of being impaired at .05 is probably sounding like a phony scare tactic to those who enjoy a couple drinks and now see evidence that it's actually good for you... in moderation.
“One of the most consistent findings in recent nutrition research is that moderate alcohol consumption can improve health and lead to a longer life,” says Eric Rimm, Sc.D., associate professor of epidemiology and nutrition at the Harvard School of Public Health.
04-05-19, 10:43 AM
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Keep in mind the difference between actually research findings and reporting about scientific findings. Sometimes the gulf is huge.
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I heard a dietician on NPR a few months ago, declaring that the often quoted benefits of chocolate and coffee and wine are in their antioxidants, of which people don't get enough because they don't eat enough fruits and vegetables. So really the choice is not between moderate alcohol abuse and cycling; it's between moderate alcohol abuse and rutabagas.
His overall message was pretty standard: more plants, slower carbs, unsaturated fat, etc.
David S. Ludwig, MD, PhD, is a practicing endocrinologist and researcher at Boston Children’s Hospital, Professor of Pediatrics at Harvard Medical School and Professor of Nutrition at Harvard School of Public Health. He is Founding Director of the Optimal Weight for Life (OWL) program at Boston Children’s Hospital, one of the oldest and largest family based weight management programs. He also directs the New Balance Foundation Obesity Prevention Center
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04-05-19, 03:28 PM
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Some people should avoid drinking altogether, no doubt... but, I thought these definitions were interesting in as much as they're from the NIAA.
The amount defined as "low risk" is more nuanced (and flexible) than the ubiquitous 2-drinks a day (for men) -- 14 drinks / wk that you read in the articles. Essentially, with a bit of rounding up, the NIAA is saying that if you're a man you could drink a bottle of wine in a day but don't do that more than 4 days a week or you risk being a 'heavy drinker' if your BAC reaches .08 for 5 or more days a week.
You could drink a bottle of wine in a day without ever reaching a .08 BAC in as much as the body metabolizes 2 oz of alcohol /hr.
The amount defined as "low risk" is more nuanced (and flexible) than the ubiquitous 2-drinks a day (for men) -- 14 drinks / wk that you read in the articles. Essentially, with a bit of rounding up, the NIAA is saying that if you're a man you could drink a bottle of wine in a day but don't do that more than 4 days a week or you risk being a 'heavy drinker' if your BAC reaches .08 for 5 or more days a week.
You could drink a bottle of wine in a day without ever reaching a .08 BAC in as much as the body metabolizes 2 oz of alcohol /hr.
Binge Drinking:
- NIAAA defines binge drinking as a pattern of drinking that brings blood alcohol concentration (BAC) levels to 0.08 g/dL. This typically occurs after 4 drinks for women and 5 drinks for men—in about 2 hours.
- The Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration (SAMHSA), which conducts the annual National Survey on Drug Use and Health (NSDUH), defines binge drinking as 5 or more alcoholic drinks for males or 4 or more alcoholic drinks for females on the same occasion (i.e., at the same time or within a couple of hours of each other) on at least 1 day in the past month.
Heavy Alcohol Use:SAMHSA defines heavy alcohol use as binge drinking on 5 or more days in the past month.NIAAA’s Definition of Drinking at Low Risk for
Developing Alcohol Use Disorder (AUD): For women, low-risk drinking is defined as no more than 3 drinks on any single day and no more than 7 drinks per week. For men, it is defined as no more than 4 drinks on any single day and no more than 14 drinks per week. NIAAA research shows that only about 2 in 100 people who drink within these limits have AUD.
Developing Alcohol Use Disorder (AUD): For women, low-risk drinking is defined as no more than 3 drinks on any single day and no more than 7 drinks per week. For men, it is defined as no more than 4 drinks on any single day and no more than 14 drinks per week. NIAAA research shows that only about 2 in 100 people who drink within these limits have AUD.
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This is called decompensated cirrhosis. Generally it isn't good for your health and it can't be undone.
There is a point of no return and many chronic alcoholics die of cirrhosis. Even moderate long time users who are not addicted can have poor liver function or die from it.
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