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Old 10-21-20, 10:36 AM
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Heavy-duty chain?

I have a long chain (LWB recumbent), and am starting to see chain stretch...and a friend of mine just introduced me to the concept of heavy-duty bicycle chain. Mine was a 21-speed converted to a Shimano Nexus 8, so I'm not using one of the narrower chain standards. Anyone have experiences with heavy-duty chain? I have to admit to being a bit shocked, because my local bike shop claimed there was no such thing not very long ago :-)
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what width do you need? does it need to be able to shift with a derailer? If i read the above correctly, you have a Nexus shifting system, which makes me think you could use a singlespeed chain. if that is the case, look into chains designed for track racing and for BMX. I would avoid anything with half-links as those seem to actually stretch quickly. there's no substitute for keep your chain clean and lubed, which should slow down chain wear.
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Originally Posted by mack_turtle
what width do you need? does it need to be able to shift with a derailer? If i read the above correctly, you have a Nexus shifting system, which makes me think you could use a singlespeed chain. if that is the case, look into chains designed for track racing and for BMX. I would avoid anything with half-links as those seem to actually stretch quickly. there's no substitute for keep your chain clean and lubed, which should slow down chain wear.
Indeed, I don't do derailer anymore, I did it for forty-plus years and am not going back :-) A single-speed chain sounds like a great idea, and Sheldon Brown's says that BMX retains a lot of historic extremely reliable design, this thought I like. I also noticed, webbing around, chains fitting traditional ten-speed and such made heavier-duty for electric and other purposes, food for thought :-)
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Heavier duty (if one existed) might not break as easily, but I'd expect the same wear in the "joints".
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Originally Posted by Bill Kapaun
Heavier duty (if one existed) might not break as easily, but I'd expect the same wear in the "joints".
I saw these:

https://www.amazon.com/Heavy-Duty-Ch.../dp/B01G9JHRFG

https://www.bikeberry.com/415-heavy-duty-chain.html

Also am not sure which type of chain will fit, 420 or 415.
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If you were using a 7-speed chain (usually classified as 6,7, 8-speed chain) for your 21-speed prior setup, that would be considered heavier-duty than narrower chains for 9, 10, 11 or 12-speed chains. And, if you have been using the same chain for a long time and/or many miles, that would explain the wear on your chain. E-bike chain would probably be overkill but single speed is worth looking into. Just need to make sure whatever you do go with is compatible with your chain ring and Nexus cog. Chains are gonna wear, no matter what they are. (They don't stretch, but they do get longer. )
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KMC makes a line of E-bike specific chains that are made stronger to resist breaking from the higher torque loads of electric motors and shifting under load. The single speed specific version is the e1 chain found here https://www.amazon.com/KMC-E1-Ept-Chain/dp/B07MCM3BXW

I don't know that it will last longer, because chains don't stretch. They get longer due to wear at the pins.
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Originally Posted by jebofabo
I saw these:

https://www.amazon.com/Heavy-Duty-Ch.../dp/B01G9JHRFG

https://www.bikeberry.com/415-heavy-duty-chain.html

Also am not sure which type of chain will fit, 420 or 415.
Back in the mid-'90s, a lot of BMX riders were using the 415 chain because it was arguably less prone to breaking. when you're hucking yourself down stairsets and jumping directly into brick ledges, this feature is useful. however, there's no reason to believe that chain is any less prone to general wear, which comes from friction exacerbated by debris getting between the rollers. also, that 415 chain is HEAVY.
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Breaking is one, chain 'wear' is another. Chains don't 'stretch', they wear. They elongate because of the wear. A heavy duty chain might be less prone to break under load but will probably wear the same as a regular chain.
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Originally Posted by JanMM
If you were using a 7-speed chain (usually classified as 6,7, 8-speed chain) for your 21-speed prior setup, that would be considered heavier-duty than narrower chains for 9, 10, 11 or 12-speed chains. And, if you have been using the same chain for a long time and/or many miles, that would explain the wear on your chain. E-bike chain would probably be overkill but single speed is worth looking into. Just need to make sure whatever you do go with is compatible with your chain ring and Nexus cog. Chains are gonna wear, no matter what they are. (They don't stretch, but they do get longer. )
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Have you considered going to 1/8" chain, chainring and and cogs? Izumi makes very good chains and at ~$22 per chain it won't cost you a lot. (You can run the wide chain over narrower rings and cogs with no issue but the fat stuff lasts a lot longer.) I ride those chains on my three fix gears (in three different finishes to match their colors; I pay $3 more for silver or gold).
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Originally Posted by 79pmooney
Have you considered going to 1/8" chain, chainring and and cogs? Izumi makes very good chains and at ~$22 per chain it won't cost you a lot. (You can run the wide chain over narrower rings and cogs with no issue but the fat stuff lasts a lot longer.) I ride those chains on my three fix gears (in three different finishes to match their colors; I pay $3 more for silver or gold).
1/8" is indeed the way to go. All of my track bikes, since my first in 1964, have used 1/8" drive trains, and the durability is amazing. I suppose it's theoretically possible to wear an 1/8" chain to the point where it skips, but I've never had it happen and have never heard of it happening.
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If it's long wear you seek, this test result is helpful
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Originally Posted by JanMM
If you were using a 7-speed chain (usually classified as 6,7, 8-speed chain) for your 21-speed prior setup, that would be considered heavier-duty than narrower chains for 9, 10, 11 or 12-speed chains. And, if you have been using the same chain for a long time and/or many miles, that would explain the wear on your chain. E-bike chain would probably be overkill but single speed is worth looking into. Just need to make sure whatever you do go with is compatible with your chain ring and Nexus cog. Chains are gonna wear, no matter what they are. (They don't stretch, but they do get longer. )
FWIW: Merry Sales (a wholesaler in San Francisco) just announced that they had 5/6 speed Izumi chains in stock. Talk to your neighborhood bike shop.

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T cycle sells chain by the foot. A much better way to buy recumbent chains.

https://t-cycle.com/collections/chain-in-bulk

My bent takes a chain 10' 5" long, so I ordered 21' of chain to get two full chains with only a single link.
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