S2L vs M6L
03-27-19, 01:55 AM
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S2L vs M6L
Hello everyone, I’m back after a long hiatus.
i recently bought a 2018 Black Edition Lacquer with Ti extremities. 6speed.
My questions:
1. Is it normal there’s sprocket sound when pedaling the M6L? The 2017 S2L don’t have it, only when I coast the sprocket sound turns on.
2. Still getting my head figure out the gears. Is it ok, I switch + and - while I’m in 2?
3. The M feels narrow, I prefer the wider S bar, much control. Are the older M bar narrow too?
TIA.
The M puts me in a beach cruiser position, don’t mind though, very comfy, the gears help a lot tackling different inclination.
i recently bought a 2018 Black Edition Lacquer with Ti extremities. 6speed.
My questions:
1. Is it normal there’s sprocket sound when pedaling the M6L? The 2017 S2L don’t have it, only when I coast the sprocket sound turns on.
2. Still getting my head figure out the gears. Is it ok, I switch + and - while I’m in 2?
3. The M feels narrow, I prefer the wider S bar, much control. Are the older M bar narrow too?
TIA.
The M puts me in a beach cruiser position, don’t mind though, very comfy, the gears help a lot tackling different inclination.
03-27-19, 09:39 AM
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One thing you need to consider is the bar's end hitting the ground when folded down.
Adding Ergon GR3 grips adds a bit of width , Left one does touch the ground when folded down.
M3L
Adding Ergon GR3 grips adds a bit of width , Left one does touch the ground when folded down.
M3L
03-27-19, 09:46 AM
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the 6 is a combination, 3 internal gears and the 2 cogs half step the wider spaced IGH ratios ...
so a zig zag pattern results ..
Math help @ sheldon gears
maybe your noise is the pulleys in the back?
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so a zig zag pattern results ..
Math help @ sheldon gears
maybe your noise is the pulleys in the back?
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03-27-19, 12:46 PM
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The "sprocket sound" is in the IGH, which you didn't have on your 2-speed. It's particularly pronounced in one of the 3 gears, I don't remember which, it's all normal.
The right shifter controls the 3 gears in your hub, the left switches the derailleur between 2 outboard sprockets. The way to think of it is you have a 3-speed with a high and low range. You can switch ranges/sprockets + or - no matter what gear the hub is in.
The right shifter controls the 3 gears in your hub, the left switches the derailleur between 2 outboard sprockets. The way to think of it is you have a 3-speed with a high and low range. You can switch ranges/sprockets + or - no matter what gear the hub is in.
03-27-19, 07:14 PM
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Thanks for the replies.
I thought I was shifting wrong and the gears are broken. Yes, some gears are louder than the other, thanks for pointing that out Joe.
Are they really that hard to shift? Especially the right shifter—I always think, "did that settled correctly?" and push the lever again, "Oh, I think it's fine."
Bob, I looked at Ergon grips, the stock grips almost touches the ground and I already added wheels extender and bigger mini wheels too, I do a lot of carting mode, so Ergon is a no for me. The S2L has a lot of clearance, love that bike. It's more agile, but I need the additional gears on some situations, the M6 is a comfy to ride on longer trips. Love both.
Will post pics when the weather cooperates.
I thought I was shifting wrong and the gears are broken. Yes, some gears are louder than the other, thanks for pointing that out Joe.
Are they really that hard to shift? Especially the right shifter—I always think, "did that settled correctly?" and push the lever again, "Oh, I think it's fine."
Bob, I looked at Ergon grips, the stock grips almost touches the ground and I already added wheels extender and bigger mini wheels too, I do a lot of carting mode, so Ergon is a no for me. The S2L has a lot of clearance, love that bike. It's more agile, but I need the additional gears on some situations, the M6 is a comfy to ride on longer trips. Love both.
Will post pics when the weather cooperates.
03-28-19, 02:47 AM
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Pedaling w/o force is ok most of the time. You'll get used to it quickly.
03-28-19, 10:48 AM
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That is a rad Brommie!
03-28-19, 03:36 PM
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03-29-19, 12:14 AM
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The noise is apparently gone. I think it needs a good break in period. Rode it for hours yesterday. Shifters are getting smoother as days goes on. My head instinctively figured how to use the gears—going to the stem is up/harder to pedal and vice versa.
The difference between the two is the ride quality: the M6 is a bit softer, there's no indication if it's firm or not on the shocks. I also adjusted the M bar a bit towards my body, it lessened the twitchiness. Adjusted the seat too—I point it a bit upward. Now my back and butt is happy on longer rides.
Now I'm a firm believer a couple of cm makes a great and enjoyable ride.
The difference between the two is the ride quality: the M6 is a bit softer, there's no indication if it's firm or not on the shocks. I also adjusted the M bar a bit towards my body, it lessened the twitchiness. Adjusted the seat too—I point it a bit upward. Now my back and butt is happy on longer rides.
Now I'm a firm believer a couple of cm makes a great and enjoyable ride.
03-29-19, 10:51 AM
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The '18 uses the standard-across-the-range shock now, which may be softer than what came on your S2L. Also the ti extremities should soften the ride, and the M bar will have a slightly less "connected to the tire" feel which may soften things a bit.
03-29-19, 11:28 PM
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Joe,
Oh I didn't know about the shock. The Ti helps, but it's more evident when folding/unfolding. I sometimes overshoot unfolding, too light. My only minor dislike is the M bar, I could have gotten a few more inches wider and be happy, but you can't have everything! I feel like riding a Dutch bike (more or less), a bit upright for my height (173cm). Otherwise, it's awesome.
Oh I didn't know about the shock. The Ti helps, but it's more evident when folding/unfolding. I sometimes overshoot unfolding, too light. My only minor dislike is the M bar, I could have gotten a few more inches wider and be happy, but you can't have everything! I feel like riding a Dutch bike (more or less), a bit upright for my height (173cm). Otherwise, it's awesome.
03-30-19, 12:45 AM
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You might try the regular Ergons without barends. They're not actually wider than the stock grips, but in my experience the paddle shape makes them feel that way.
03-30-19, 05:39 AM
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You could change out your M bars for an S style straight bar. This way you can actually have a wider bar as it will sit higher off the ground when in the folded position. You lose the sit up position but gain wider bars.
04-05-19, 04:32 PM
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