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Old 10-02-18, 05:49 PM
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How best to spend some money?

I am new to cycling and enjoying it a lot. I am riding outdoors and indoors an average of 3 or 4 times a week. I have purchased two relatively expensive bikes in the last year and I have about $1000 that I want to dedicate to bicycling related equipment. I have two road bikes one of which is quite old, a fat tire bike and a Hybrid bike.
I am not clipped in yet but am headed in that direction. I have a decent stationary bike but I would prefer to have a trainer. I don't have a heart rate monitor, power meter or bike electronics of any kind.
I am looking to spend the money efficiently and fill in some of the gaps that may contribute to me becoming a better cyclist. I welcome all suggestions and input.
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I'd do shoes, pedals, and clothing. Then I'd do a computer, then a power meter. Though the latter two may not be necessary depending on your goals and plans.

I'd also plug into whatever group rides are available in the area, because that will likely contribute the most and the most quickly to becoming a better cyclist overall.
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What are your goals in cycling? Long (distance) rides? Racing? Fitness in general?

I would probably spend it on a pedal based power meter. If you're planning to buy clipless pedals anyway and have use for a PM, that works out nicely. I think a PM is the most useful thing you can add to a bike. But that's not worth much coming from somebody who doesn't know you.
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Originally Posted by rubiksoval
I'd do shoes, pedals, and clothing. …….
I like the idea of gear! My first year of active adult cycling I bought a decent bike.... and really enjoyed myself. But good gear really makes a difference. Jerseys, shorts, gloves, helmet, skull caps, jackets, cycling glasses, water bottles, clipless (clip-in) pedals and shoes, maybe a cycling tool-kits and a work stand...……….
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Overall fitness and continued improvement are my goals. I would like to hold my own with group rides locally. My rides and group rides are typically in the 20 to 40 mile range.
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I appreciate the responses that have been provided. Thank you.
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Old 10-05-18, 06:36 AM
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Smart trainer for structured training manual ERG mode. Don't pay for software or subscriptions. Spend the dough on a better trainer instead.
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A set of Sportscrafters resistance rollers: https://www.sportcrafters.com/produc...ve-pro-rollers
Then pedals, shoes, and an inexpensive heart rate monitor.
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Originally Posted by fstrnu
Smart trainer for structured training manual ERG mode. Don't pay for software or subscriptions. Spend the dough on a better trainer instead.
And take all the fun out of cycling...
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Old 10-06-18, 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by gregf83
And take all the fun out of cycling...
You mean Zwift?
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Originally Posted by fstrnu
You mean Zwift?
Your silly assertions are so ridiculous. You couldn't make up how wrong you are about so much stuff you post here. Zwift and virtual racing is so big the UCI is going to create virtual eSports rules and have a world championships and are throwing out things like "Peter Sagan might try it".

https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/uci-...championships/

Clearly a whole lot of people think it's fun.
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Zwift is fun. Riding a trainer sucks. Doing structured intervals on a trainer while staring into space? I'd rather go out in the yard and dig holes.

OP, a good pair of shoes and pedals to go with them. Once you're clipped-in and used to it, then I'd say a computer and HR monitor.
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If you already have the basics, then spend some of that money and build yourself a home gym so that you can do cross training to supplement your cycling.
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Originally Posted by DrIsotope
Zwift is fun. Riding a trainer sucks. Doing structured intervals on a trainer while staring into space? I'd rather go out in the yard and dig holes.

OP, a good pair of shoes and pedals to go with them. Once you're clipped-in and used to it, then I'd say a computer and HR monitor.
Exactly. I'm good for 1 hr or maybe 1:20 on an indoor trainer. There's no way I'm going to stay inside and bash out intervals when I could be riding in the sun for 4 hrs with my buds like today. My legs hurt going down stairs so I know I got a decent workout.

To recommend structured indoor intervals for a new rider is ludicrous and would not motivate them to improve. Even pros spend very little time on a trainer, or doing structured intervals for that matter.
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Originally Posted by gregf83
And take all the fun out of cycling...
Originally Posted by DrIsotope
Zwift is fun. Riding a trainer sucks. Doing structured intervals on a trainer while staring into space? I'd rather go out in the yard and dig holes.

OP, a good pair of shoes and pedals to go with them. Once you're clipped-in and used to it, then I'd say a computer and HR monitor.
What I meant to ask was if greg was saying anything other than Zwift is no fun.
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I like the shoe pedal idea followed by a trainer. Also, you may want to check if there are any cycling clubs in your area that fit your goals. I wanted to race and joined a racing team. I learned a lot by observing what other racers used, how they trained and went to meetings where we had speakers that discussed a wide range of topics. Clubs that focus on other aspects of cycling may be available locally as well and clubs / teams may have sponsors that offer deals on equipment and clothes.
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Originally Posted by gregf83
Exactly. I'm good for 1 hr or maybe 1:20 on an indoor trainer. There's no way I'm going to stay inside and bash out intervals when I could be riding in the sun for 4 hrs with my buds like today. My legs hurt going down stairs so I know I got a decent workout.

To recommend structured indoor intervals for a new rider is ludicrous and would not motivate them to improve. Even pros spend very little time on a trainer, or doing structured intervals for that matter.
UCI world tour pros are an interesting breed. USA does not have many such that most of them are from Europe and the former Soviet Union. I started my race training with coaches from Belarus who formerly ran the National team before immigrating to the US. They had a cycling gym and I had to show up twice per week for supervised indoor sessions lifting weights and riding on the rollers / trainers. In California the weather would be great and I would be indoors.

Their two most famous UCI world tour pros that they coached were Vasili Vasilyevich Kiryienka and Kanstantsin Sivtsov who both raced for Team Sky. Vasil won the time trial world championships a couple of years ago. At the Sky camps in Mallorca, they would train on the rollers in the morning and ride with the team outside in the afternoon with a nap in between. In 2014, I used the same coach and he wanted me to do two workouts per day - trainer and road. It was too hard. Maybe today, I could do it.

The other thing to understand about former Soviet Union cyclists is that cycling was a way to escape the oppression. If one made the national team, one was setup with benefits. If there was success, one was set for life with perks. So much like Cortez, these cyclists burned their ships such that there was no going back and they worked very hard because failure was a disaster.

So if the coach said, you are on the trainer 6 hours a day, well, you were on the trainer 6 hours per day even if it did not make any sense and there are better alternatives.

One of the first workouts I did was 10 sets of 10 through a Russian torture circuit of weight training to build strenght in the pedal stroke and then lower cadence intervals on my road bike set up on the trainer. I rode the trainer a lot and it caused me to HTFU a lot.
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Originally Posted by Hermes
One of the first workouts I did was 10 sets of 10 through a Russian torture circuit of weight training to build strenght in the pedal stroke and then lower cadence intervals on my road bike set up on the trainer. I rode the trainer a lot and it caused me to HTFU a lot.
No doubt there's some old school coaches out there who demand endless hours on the trainer. I recall the stories of coaches requiring their riders to ride for 5+ hrs on a trainer staring at a brick wall just to toughen them up. The riders I follow must have more progressive coaches as they rarely ride the trainer.

Trainer & zwift is fine if it's too cold, icy, or miserable to ride outside but my tolerance for cold and wet is pretty high so I only seem to end up on the trainer 5-10 times a year. Once I'm into it it's OK and kind of nice to walk out into my shop and just hop on the trainer for an hour or so but I'm not interested in doing long rides on one.
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Contact points and a professional fitting.
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Originally Posted by fstrnu
What I meant to ask was if greg was saying anything other than Zwift is no fun.
Personally, I don't classify anything on the trainer as 'fun'. If I'm going to ride the trainer I usually just do 2x20 SST intervals with the same set of music I've been listening to for years. I often have zwift on also for an added distraction.

I could see getting into zwift racing although I've only done one or two and had some trouble identifying who I was racing.

I don't understand your recommendation to buy a smart trainer just to do ERG intervals. I sort of understand the appeal of not having to think about pacing but my opinion is there is precious little to focus on while on the trainer so maintaining a constant pace is not a big ask and is a useful skill.
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Originally Posted by gregf83
Personally, I don't classify anything on the trainer as 'fun'. If I'm going to ride the trainer I usually just do 2x20 SST intervals with the same set of music I've been listening to for years. I often have zwift on also for an added distraction.

I could see getting into zwift racing although I've only done one or two and had some trouble identifying who I was racing.

I don't understand your recommendation to buy a smart trainer just to do ERG intervals. I sort of understand the appeal of not having to think about pacing but my opinion is there is precious little to focus on while on the trainer so maintaining a constant pace is not a big ask and is a useful skill.
Understand completely. For me personally, however, (and I was surprised by this) I somehow feel like it is less mind-numbing when I don't have to concentrate on pace. It's weird but that is how it is for me. Also, ERG mode is absolutely crucial for endurance pace stuff as I can focus completely on whatever movie I'm watching.
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I would just go with frame, brakes, veggies, protein.
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Thank you for the additional information! Seemingly lots of good practical information!
Shoes and pedals soon, then a professional fitting shortly thereafter. These would be the first things on the agenda.
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Originally Posted by wolfchild
If you already have the basics, then spend some of that money and build yourself a home gym so that you can do cross training to supplement your cycling.
I especially enjoy r/bodyweightfitness for this. It is minimal and no need to spend any money if you so choose.
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For $1,000

I have found that wheels and tires are the best value, especially when in competition.

Purchase a a set of new wheels and tires primarily for competitive events. Use your existing wheels to train and ride the new ones only for competition.

I suggest 25mm aluminum wheels that have a combined weight of around 1450 grams and Vittoria Corsa Speed TLR tires. If you go tubeless the weight will be a great advantage for accelerating. This is enhanced in pack riding where the speed varies continuously.
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