Robvolz 

There is a neighbor selling some clincher wheels featuring Tipo hubs. As for as I can tell, the differences are:

no oil hole in the middle of the hub

round holes instead of oval.

Is there a major quality difference? In fact, why did CAMPY bother making both hight flanged styles?

Robert

Mr. 66

I'm not expert on this but I thought the Tipo as Gran Sport level, with stamped cups, and Record having forged being the major difference.

oneclick 

a) yes: Tipo cups are stamped, Record are turned and ground.
b) when you own the top of the market, the only way to expand is downwards

Bad Lag

Finish, too, Record has that great polished and anodized finish, Tipo does not

tiger1964 

Based on reading that here, I have been buying Record-based wheels. The Tipos I have are destined to be used as dream catchers in the window.

BUT --

Someone here mentioned, perhaps a couple of years back, there's a way to convert Tipos to sealed bearings. For me, that would be a game changer. So if someone has the details...

As for the finish, I am not afraid to polish things.

repechage

Cones on Record hubs received more attention - ground. Bigger front hub ball bearings.
the bearing shields on Record hubs have a stamped in inboard flange and are chrome plated. The Tipos just material thickness, plated, but not chrome.

QR skewers are different also.

Brian Baylis on his “ aero tour “ bike did a cartridge bearing swap- one hub was straightforward- the other shell required machining- I do not recall which one.
you have to decide what if anything you are going to do to provide a spacer between the bearings. Come up with a spacer set to fill the void of the cones.

Bad Lag

Polished aluminum looks very different than that lustrous Campy anodize.

Polished aluminum doesn't last, either. It corrodes back to a matte grey.

Still, it's up to you.

Kabuki12

I was told by a credible source that many of the Tipo hubs were outsourced and roll marked when received . I have one bike with Tipo hubs and it seems to roll just fine but when I greased the bearings I noticed the quality wasn’t near what the NR is.

JohnDThompson 

Tipo front hubs use 3/16" balls, while Record front hubs use 7/32" balls. Tipo QR lever is retained by a circlip, while Record QR lever is retained by a nut. Tipo QR conical adjuster has a nylon insert to prevent vibrational loosening, while Record conical adjuster has a D-ring and floating metal inserts to prevent vibrational loosening.

roadcrankr

One can feel a noticeable difference when turning the axle by hand or spinning a built wheel.
Back in the day, us snobs equated that quality with speed. Who knows if it impacts overall performance.
One thing, for sure, which applies to entire Gran Sport or Nuovo Record gruppos, we never saw pros riding Gran Sport.

obrentharris 

Given how matte gray all my old Record hubs have become, and how well they polish up with Mother's polish, I'm very surprised to hear they were ever anodized. Certainly not the same "milky" anodize used on cranks and brake arms.
Brent

daka

Brent, I think you are correct - Hubs are one of the few Campy Record components that were not anodized.

repechage

Seatposts also we’re not anodized.

the different but notable exception to Campagnolo hub identification were the run of tipo hubs that Motobecane had made and used, high flange tips with the Record hole pattern.
exceptions there were.

First series Dura-Ace hubs were anodized, set them apart. That and the chrome oil clip and chromed lock nuts. Trying to be better, and an uphill climb.

tiger1964 

Hmm, not being a machinist , this might mean the results might cost more than simply starting with Record hubs. But I have to check, I think I have two sets of Tipo-based wheels.

repechage

Brian just did it to be different, that whole bike was a black hole of time consumption.

tiger1964 

Isn't that the raison d'ętre of C&V bikes?

But if I found someone retiring, or otherwise got a bunch of good machine tools cheap, I could spend days ruining otherwise perfectly good metal.

I do like the round-hole look of the Tipo, always have.

stoneageyosh

Brian did several things that would be considered “different “. His black and white reverse polka dot bike, one side black with white dots and the reverse white with black dots was one.
He got into knife making. I bought his first, a Bowie with pearl handle scales, which I later gave back to him when he said he would like to get it back someday.
Also a collector of vintage drum sets and owned over two hundred early Benjamin and Sheridan air rifles.
A very interesting guy to hang with and talk about a variety of esoteric topics.

Dave Mayer

I've replaced the (worn out) cups on a rear Record freewheel hub with pressed-in cartridge bearings. The cart was a 6001, with an OD of 28.0mm. The axle and retaining bits were borrowed off of a Suntour Superbe Pro hub.

I rode Tipo hubs back in the day for who knows how many miles; their nickname was: "Tipo Cheapo" - definitely not up to the quality of Record hubs, especially the cups. I'm pretty sure that the cup diameter on the Tipo is smaller than 28.0, so the cartridge bearing thing above will not work.

Eventually I found some good Record cups from a damaged hub shell, and swapped out the carts and returned the hub to previous specs. Overall, in terms of stresses and loading, cartridge bearings are simply an inferior solution relative to the cup and cone implementation. Plus, the old Campy hubs were the best foul-weather condition hubs ever, in that after a tough wet ride, you just insert your grease injector into the ports, and spritz the old grease away. Good as new again.

As opposed to with a cartridge bearing, where moisture gets wicked inwards past the inadequate dust-shield, and then it stays there marinating the balls until months later, the internals are a seized-up corroded mess.

roadcrankr

I forever thought they anodized the hubs. Just now checked a NOS NR hub against a NOS NR brake caliper.
No anodizing on the hub! They managed to get the coloring close. But not a match.
Should've figured this out, since semichrome polish got 'em very shiny. Never did this to their brakes!

Kabuki12

I have been able to polish the hubs even if they are quite grey when I get them. I got ahold of some wheels and HF hubs from a beater bike . The hubs looked like Campagnolo but when I wiped the grease and oil off , I noticed that they had the milky look that Brent talked about . They had the same black clip but had a gold sticker that said Superbe. They wiped clean easily but would not polish with the Mothers that I use on the alloy parts that are not anodized. I have yet to come across any Campagnolo hubs Tipo or NR that were anodized.

repechage

Art Stump took some apart and had the shells anodized.
‘he even made a tool to remove the races, overkill he noted. Basically an approx axle diameter rod, with a smaller than a skewer sized insert, then he machined three pieces that were cut into thirds just under 120 degrees, dropped those in, inserted the slender rod and had a very accurate race drift. Front and rear specific.

there was a short series production unit that worked more like a headset head tube removal tool, the splay was much more exaggerated and pretty thick, took quite a bit of force to drive the working
‘feet” behind the race. This was about 1975, no recall as to who mfg. it.

Pars 

I had always heard that the Record hub cones were through hardened (and not just surface hardened) as well? Probably races as well. I think either myself or one of my brothers had a set of Tipos back in the day, and they didn't feel nearly as good as records.