wolfchild

I was trying to be nice and respectful and tried to stay on topic of winter transportation....until this idea came along that gorillas and apes should be teaching humans on how to live a sustainable car-free lifestyle...BTW gorillas are tropical creatures who swing on tree branches and use trees for transportation and they can't really teach you anything about car-free winter transportation.

tandempower

No, it was a tangent that came from Machka's thing about the hill being a difficult obstacle for car-free commuting. That led me to empathize that I would also find it tedious to surmount such a large hill everyday under the time crunch of getting to work on time. At that point my mind went into the mode of wondering, "how would people/animals have dealt with such an obstacle before motor vehicles were available?" That's when I began thinking about mountain people cultivating potatoes to grow at high elevations and gorillas that gain massive muscle mass from eating 70lbs of greens per day.

By all means continue posting winter LCF plans, as per the OP. Sorry if the hill-crossing side-talk distracted you from focusing on the coming cold.

wolfchild

It's a scientific fact that gorillas have a different digestive system from humans. They can eat twigs and tree branches and convert that to nutrients and energy inside their bodies... Humans can't do that because we are different. I challenge you or anybody to go eat 50 pounds of greens a day and see what will happen.

Machka 

They went round the coast or on water.

tandempower

Maybe so. It was just an example. I'm sure even importing food it would be possible for people to live on the far side of hills. They would just have to be diligent and efficient coordinating truck shipments over the hills. Anyway, it's not a winter cycling issue, as you mentioned, and it's been discussed in the past to no fruitful end so LCF remains, as ever, a complex dance within a motor-biased economic culture.

tandempower

I guess you could say the moral of this story is that driving is what puts human civilization 'over the hill.'

Machka 

When the coastal route was established, there were no cars.

tandempower

And presumably not enough population to worry about expanding to the other side of hill.

Machka 

Hobart was established in 1804 at the mouth of the Derwent River.

In 1808 the first white settlers arrived in the district at what is now known as Brown’s River, named after botanist Mr Robert Brown.

By the 1830s the district was still sparsely populated by European settlers. There was no church, no school, no post office – in fact, no regular communication with Hobart Town.

In 1835, a farmer by the name of Proctor completed a road between Hobart Town and his property at Brown’s River. The Government, having refused to provide any financial assistance to Mr Proctor in the five year building project, declared the road a public thoroughfare – providing a much-needed link between Brown’s River and Hobart Town.

Governor Denison proclaimed the district a township on 27 January 1851. [named Kingston]

The municipality had a number of thriving townships outside Kingston. Snug had settlers as early as 1822 and Woodbridge, once known as Peppermint Bay, was settled in 1847. Taroona, one of the first settled districts in the area, is noted for historic landmark the Shot Tower, which was established as a flourishing industry in 1870.

And so on ... you can keep reading about the economic development of the area, etc. here:

https://www.kingborough.tas.gov.au/k...about/history/

I-Like-To-Bike

Why would someone want to read about history and learn the truth, when wondering, thinking and imagining provides a "reality" that better suits an agenda/ideology?

tandempower

Look, I'm not trying to get into the details of how specific localities developed. People make decisions based on what they think is best at the time. I just guessed that there were no settlements on the far side of the hill before motorized transportation, and if they were, they must have been relatively self-sufficient communities because I can't believe people were commuting over that hill daily without driving.

Is there a reason you want to continue discussing this besides getting the Winter Transportation Plan thread flushed to P&R?

cooker

This is a perfectly legitimate topic for this forum.

cooker

Are photos reversed in the southern hemisphere?

Just kidding - I know they drive on the left.

cooker

I've posted a few times that I don't bike on ice and snow. However the public transit commute is so much slower than cycling that I dread the end of cycling season.

However I am transitioning to working two days (half days, actually) from home as a pre-retirement stage, so I will only have to commute 3 days a week.

tandempower

I had the same mental reflex at first, except it was to imagine riding on the shoulder next to the median.

I then realized the bike lane would be on the outside of the road (on the left) instead of the inside.

. . . when left is right and right is wrong

wolfchild

The title of the thread is a legitimate topic to discuss... but the discussion itself went off the rails really fast.

Machka 

There were settlements and the connected with Hobart by boat.

tandempower

This is turning into a fascinating topic. Should we start another thread on it?

I-Like-To-Bike

Yes, in Foo or Facebook where it belongs, and combine this thread with it.

tandempower

You don't think discussion your winter or other seasonal transportation plans as someone living car free?

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enigmaT120

I put my fenders back on my Fargo over the weekend.

badger1

That's the spirit!

To continue it: it is dry here today, and about 9C temperature. Therefore, I rode my bike to work, and shall ride home, because conditions suited me. I chose clothing suitable for the weather.

Tomorrow, I will likely use transit because conditions will not suit me for cycling.

I'm sure everyone will find this information fascinating.

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badger1

Ain't that the truth!