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Old 04-15-21, 08:32 AM
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Why are Firenzes unsafe?

I recently bought a 70s-ish Firenze GL2000 at a thrift store for $10 because it was rolling on brand new Bontragers that could be used elsewhere. (And I thought it was Italian. Sheesh!) Then I read somewhere that back then this Taiwanese brand couldn't be sold in the U.S. because it didn't meet safety standards, so they were given away as promotional items. Does anyone know what the safety concern had been, e.g., brakes, derailleurs, frame?

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Just type your question into your address bar and you will get this...

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Two new Bontrager tires (I asume) for $10 is a good buy.
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Why would giving them away rather than selling them release anyone from liability? Granted, I’m not a lawyer.
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Why would giving them away rather than selling them release anyone from liability? Granted, I’m not a lawyer.
It wouldn't, but it might be legal to give away the bikes versus selling them at a retail shop.

I suspect that the odd shift lever location might be the culprit.
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Apparently the frame can snap. If it were mine, after removing parts to sell, I would get this

out of my shed, then throw the pieces into the revycle bin.
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Originally Posted by randyjawa
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Wow, that thread took me back! Not only do I remember the ads for Matthews, BUT 30 years ago I worked with the son of the owner. That son was, in fact, a fairly serious cyclist. Presumably his bike was better than the ones his Dad was giving away.
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Originally Posted by nlerner
Why would giving them away rather than selling them release anyone from liability? Granted, I’m not a lawyer.
I've heard that rumor before and I'm not sure it's true. There were two electronics stores in the country that gave away essentially all of these bikes and for some reason it was a popular promotion because there were tons of them around for a while.

So it's possible that they didn't meet safety standards, but it's unlikely that that's the reason they were given away rather than sold. More likely it was just some unusual business arrangement between the manufacturer and these two stores. Having seen quite a few of them, they are awful bikes but not orders of magnitude more awful than a low-end Walmart bike. What's funny is why people who've never seen them before seem to think they have a value greater than the cost to dispose of them at the dump.
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Okay, so except for the bike's spokes being as brittle as uncooked spaghetti, and the Firenze frames tending to break apart at random, everything seems wonderful.
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"Firenze" was a low-end bike, often used as a free "give-away" with some unrelated purchase. "Crazy TV Lenny" in Madison WI probably gave away thousands of them with the purchase of a random appliance from his store. There was at last one year where those bikes did not meet the CPSC requirement that the rear brake be able to cause the rear wheel to skid (itself a rather questionable requirement), and TV Lenny had to replace the stock brake pads on his give-away bikes with high-end Mathauser pads to meet the CPSC requirement. I used to walk around UW Madison student housing at end-of-semester with a 10mm wrench looking for Firenze bikes dumped on the curb as trash to salvage the Mathauser pads for my bikes.
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