ShiningMasamune

Hi all,

I recently bought a kickstand for my Kona Dew Plus. Mounting it is proving to be a challenge. The problem is that the mount presses against the front derailleur cable. Pictures:
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/2077177/201...2016.30.51.jpg
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/2077177/201...2016.30.23.jpg

Is this okay? Will it wear the cable down? Can I loosen the cable to compensate?

(Ignore the tiewrap holding my fender in place, it's not relevant. The screw is right up against the frame.)

pdedes

Kickstands are verbotten. Remove it now.

scotjonscot

No. Yes. No. Get a stand that mounts to the rear of the stays.

DeanB

I can't find a rule that bans kickstands (explicitly or otherwise, only pumps and mirrors) but I really think there should be...

WhyFi

You'd be wrong on that count.

SCochiller

you.are.banned

DeanB

Sorry, frame pumps that AREN'T Silca obviously.

ShiningMasamune

Thanks for being the sole helpful reply... But unfortunately I can't get a rear-mounted one because of the disk breaks. See here: https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php/441155 There's no way I can put something between the cable in the mount to prevent wear?

Seriously, if kickstands are a forbidden topic then you people really need to list that. Pretty annoying get this kind of treatment on a site ostensibly for helping people with bike problems...

banerjek

It's a good idea to read a few posts before arriving at conclusions to the atmosphere. It makes no sense for people to hang out talking about stuff they already know about, so you'll see a lot of screwing around here with an occasional useful tidbit.

With regards to your original question, there are reasons why good bikes don't come with them, people who ride a lot don't use them, and you're having trouble figuring out how to add one to your bike. It boils down to they really aren't necessary. There is practically always a place to lean your bike and when there isn't, you can lay it flat.

I realize that this undoubtedly sounds like total BS to you, but as you spend more time on the bike, it will make sense. If you need a way to think about it, there are some things that are really common among newer riders and practically unheard of among the experienced ones. Everyone started sometime, and let's just say the explanation isn't that everyone lost their common sense along the way.

LesterOfPuppets

Hahaha. Don't get too worked up. Try posting in Commuting or possibly Touring. At least a few regulars in those sections are stupid enough...... errrr, ummm I mean experienced in the ways of the kickstand.

Carbon Unit

Try a click-stand. You don't need to attach anything to your bike. A click-stand is pocket sized bike stand.

Here is a link:

​https://www.click-stand.com/

pgjackson

Not being able to mount a kick stand on a road bike is not a problem. It's not meant to be there.

Carbon Unit

True. I use a Click-stand on club rides because I don't want to lay my bike on its side. Our club rides tend to be over 100 riders and sometimes there just isn't a lot of places to lean a bike.

banerjek

Sure, but you gotta admit you're an outlier. I'm pretty sure I see more 'bents than kickstands in a sufficiently large group of roadies...

Carbon Unit

Yes, even in my bike club there is only one other guy that carries one. I would never in a million years put a kick stand on my bike but a collapsible tent poll that fits in my middle jersey pocket isn't so bad. But, I could live without it.

OldManRiley

No, you can't. It's less a matter of cable wear and more a matter of cable path. Stuff pressing on cables = bad.

As a fellow new member, let me give you a piece of advice: the "road bike" section is going to be geared (PUN!) towards roadies (the people, usually guys, who feel the need to put on lycra every time they get on a bike, discuss how much higher their saddle is than their bars to maximize how "aero" they are, and ride at warp speeds in something called "pacelines" while looking like they are having zero fun). I happen to be a roadie, but I'm also a daily commuter (on a bike much similar to yours - but still with no kickstand ) so I'm a bit more understanding.

FYI: Kickstands on a true road (read "racing") bike are anathema for both aesthetic and weight reasons. And a Kona Dew is NOT a road bike. It has flat bars, disc brakes, and 35c tires. So you're going to get a bit of guff in the roadie area. It's all in good fun, but if you want a serious answer for future questions you'd be better served in the commuter area (or possibly the bike mechanic), as someone previously mentioned.

Carbon Unit

Most roadies try to reduce all unnessary weight. Fenders, racks, kickstands, panniers are things road bikes were not intended to have. Kick stands belong on touring bikes.

Crash_N_Carry

I never understood why modern road bikes didn't have kickstands until the mechanic at my LBS told me why.

1: Ignoring the clearance issues you're experiencing, the attachment mechanism of the kickstand can deform the frame (and in the case of carbon fiber, it can outright ruin the frame).

2: In the case of an accident, there's a possibility of the kickstand skewering your calf.

3: It does add extra weight to the bike so the weight weenies complain about it.

Instead of attaching a kickstand to the bike, consider using something like this:

https://www.topeak.com/products/Stora...FlashStandSlim

Stealthammer

Throw away the kickstand. Nothing screams "FRED" like a kickstand. I stand my bike up everyday using the pedal or a wall. Kickstands are for people with no imagination......

AdelaaR

The reason you didn't get helpful replies is that you asked your question in the wrong forum.
This is the roadbike forum ... a place for wannabe-racy-uptight-showoff-juppie-types.
You don't have a racebike, but a hybrid.
You'll probably find many friendly people in the hybrid forum that can help you out with your problem.

banerjek

Correct.

BTW, anyone who asks why you can't get race wheels that take Schrader valves or why the bike they bought came with no tread on the tires would get a similar response for the same reason.

Doohickie

Maybe he doesn't care if he screams FRED.

banerjek

Practically this whole damn forum screams FRED

himespau 

Wow, that looks kind of cool.

merlinextraligh

OP, it's not that kickstands are a forbidden topic. It's just that 99% of here believe they're a bad idea.

1) it's hard to find one that actually works well.

2) as you've learned, they're difficult to secure, tend to work loose, and can damage the frame.

3) they're jsut not necessary. Learn to stand the bike on a curb by the pedal, lean it against the wall. or jsut lay it down opposite the deraiilleur side.

4) they're uneccassry weight, often more than 2 lbs, for ones that have a chance of working.

5) they're ugly, and detract from the pure efficiencey of a road bike.

6) they're something to impale yourself on in a crash, and a loose, improperly fitted one could cause a crash.


So the strong concensus advice would be to DC the kickstand.