Seattle Forrest

Laying it on a little thick, don't you think?

KraneXL

A naysayer? Just so that we're clear, I don't make anything up. All of my posts are the result of what I've researched or experienced. If you disagree feel free to post a counterpoint (that's the point of these threads), but don't just case aspersions without any support or validation.

Carbonfiberboy 

I think I missed seeing any studies and research among your posts. By those two words, I mean research papers published in peer-reviewed scientific journals. You know, equivalent to the studies I've posted in this thread. Since as you say, there are zillions of studies out there, it shouldn't be too hard for you to find and post studies that support your contentions that IF:

1) will "achieve improved exercise efficiency and nutritional benefit from whatever diet and training routine you choose "
2) "places the body in a higher bio-active state for maximum nutritional uptake, and exercise recuperation"
3) "I choose to use IF, predominantly as an anaerobic training tool" (studies to back up that this works, i.e. IF improves anaerobic performance)
4) "increased muscle hypertrophy"

"Also, some people are anomalies, but that's not science. There's not necessarily a right or wrong, but it has to be something that works for the majority, and is repeatable under similar circumstances to be valid." Since you admit that, there must be RCTs which support your contentions.

OBoile

Oh really?

Seattle Forrest

I realist. I was just noticing that your post about the incredible magic of IF was both very promising but also quite vague at the same time. It was really dense with pseudo-science language.

I don't doubt that there's something there in IF for a lot of people, but some of the hype surrounding it ...

KraneXL

Actually, it is. I don't keep a database of all the material I go through daily. In addition, I'm not selling anything here, so its of no loss to me if you choose not to believe it. Nevertheless, if you ask a question, I'll try and provide whatever material I can.

Just keep in mind I didn't invent the concept, so don't shoot the messenger. If you disagree, focus on the author. I do learn from these sites, but this presents my opportunity to give something back. At least to the limit of what I've leaned. This thread is also my attempt to learn more. So some ulterior motive tooYep, but as a cyclist you should recognize the amount of difference between Ultegra and Dura Ace.

You can find that assertion in many of my post. But studies are sometimes like statistic: they can say what you want them to say. In addition, many just provide data and you have to interpret what that data means and how (or if) it even applies to you. See below.That's intentional: writing 101 cater to your audience. Not everyone here wants to read some long, boring study filled with technical gobbledygook. People that are truly interested either research answers for themselves or ask for more details.

I do my best to summarize and put things into more widely understood terms. If I'm doing it wrong, then I can learn something. The idea is to leave more knowledgeable than when we came in. Which is, I hope, everyone's goal.

That's a good perspective to have. That means you have a cautious but open mind. I'm the same way. I figured IF has been around for a very long time. Even if it doesn't work for everyone, it has to be more than just broscience.

KraneXL

Some additional data I found on IF. Note that although these are not clinical trials, many have been used to compile the data, and/or are highlighted within the articles.

• Intermittent Fasting is a Powerful Healing Modality

• On-and-off fasting helps fight obesity, study finds
• Five-day fasting diet could fight disease, slow aging
• Study Shows Intermittent Fasting Promotes Health and Longevity
• Does Intermittent Fasting Boost Your Metabolism
• Boost Anabolic Hormones With Intermittent Fasting
• How To Boost HGH 1300-2000% Through Intermittent Fasting
• Are There Any Proven Benefits to Fasting?

Seattle Forrest

My hunch is that IF probably has two main things to offer most people: a psychological benefit like being in control of your hunger along with a schedule, and it probably helps control insulin levels in people who don't exercise. There could be more, I don't know, it's a bit of an open question, but those two seem to be real.

KraneXL

Either this is an unusually tough audience, or I need to do a better job on my mocking? Reference your database on snake oil salesman. On the other hand, maybe you're still dubious about IF?

KraneXL

Two new vids I discovered on IF. The first is on fasted training. Some folks might find 4:00 of particular interest where he discusses the hormonal benefits of IF during training. The second, specifies some of the classic mistakes of IF.

Intermittent Fasting: Best Time to Workout When Fasting

Intermittent Fasting: Top 5 Mistakes

- Thomas DeLauer has so pretty credible perspective -- based on research -- on most issues.

elcruxio

What is going on in this thread?

OBoile

In general I think KraneXL is trying to convince the rest of us of the "magic" of IF. But, I suspect most of the other posters on here have seen enough fad diet trends in the past to buy into the idea that it is somehow superior to other forms of calorie restriction.

KraneXL

If you're referring to the links (I assume you're not just a naysayer), I'm not sure. I test them once I submit. They were work at that point but I will try to resubmitt. I'm trying to help you become a more educated consumer. If the information presented here appeals to you then you leave the thread with useful information. If not, you simply unsubscribe and move on to the next thread that gives your the answers you want to hear.

KraneXL

High-Intensity Interval Training and Intermittent Fasting - A Winning Combo for Fat Reduction and Optimal Fitness

https://fitness.mercola.com/sites/fi...t-fasting.aspx

GSP - Intermittent Fasting Changed My Life - Joe Rogan Podcast

Seattle Forrest

Simply put, HIIT is the best way to get shredded. A lot of people think they need to put in long, boring hours doing stupid cardio like riding a bike, but I’m here to say if YOUR fitness plan isn’t built around HIIT, you’re wasting your time. You have to shock your metabolites into submission if you want to torch fat. Keep the body guessing – one day it’s sprint intervals the next day you dress like a clown! Look, it’s not about endless hours of cardio, HIIT does more for your fitness in 45 short minutes than a lifetime of riding a bike. It unlocks weight loss hormones, jump starts your metabolism, and incinerates calories. You even get a 3 % boost for EPOC. Combined with the anabolic magic of IF, HIIT will have any couch potato looking like Arnold inside of a week! Plus if you really want results you have to take a fat burner and I review the best 3 of them here.

OBoile

Well, I've always respected your opinion, but I think you may be overstating what HIIT... wait a minute... I see what you did there.

redlude97

got me hook line and sinker too, was about to rage post.

wolfchild

That's great nothing wrong with that .... but keep in mind that there are a lot of very experienced people posting on this forum. Some have many years of experience and have experimented with all types of different nutritional and training protocols and they have figured out what works for them and what doesn't....I have my own system which works great for me. I space my meals 5-6 hours apart. This includes an early morning breakfast, a lunch at noon hour, late afternoon snack or post workout drink and late evening dinner before bedtime, that's what works best for me.

wolfchild

I respect GSP and really enjoy listening to his podcasts and watching his training and fight videos...but I also think that Dr. Mercola is just a quack and should be completely ignored.

KraneXL

That's fine, so did I before. But that doesn't mean you're limited to that one system or that there not some else that may work even better. You never know until you try it. But you first have to hear that it exists, and know how it works.No issues with that. There are many diets and protocols available, and IF may not be the right choice for everyone. Nevertheless, fasting is centuries old and likely the most natural for our bodies. In any event, choose the diet that works best for your goal and lifestyles.

elcruxio

My personal experience with IF is that for me it'd require quite strange timings to work. I need breakfast, not because I'm hungry in the mornings but because if I don't eat breakfast my insulin sensitivity will just go away for the rest of the day. I know IF is supposed to increase insulin sensitivity but for me in some cases it causes the opposite. The effects of breakfast on insulin sensitivity have also been studied and it would seem especially for diabetics like me eating breakfast is a viable choice to control insulin sensitivity for the rest of the day

Rollfast

If you really wanna fast intermittently, try living on SNAP only.

KraneXL

The people I know that are on snap are gargantuan, so maybe they're not doing it right?This is a perfect example of times when IF may not be the correct choice. Although, the "I" does offer even a special case such as yours some latitude if you thought it was something you could really benefit from.

KraneXL

Like him or not, agree with him or not (I don't agree with everything he says), you can't ignore his results or dismiss the science. Which is at this moment, as reliable as it gets. Here's he is on Joe Rogan's podcast with 7 minutes on the uptake of nutrients and the role of insulin (and other hormones) manipulated through fasting.

Joe Rogan - Why Obese People Can't Lose Weight

redlude97

What results? He's at best a midpack age grouper in TTs. You'd think with his following he'd be blowing the competition out of the water instead of being just an average cyclist. For example:
https://www.webscorer.com/racedetail...9521&did=34182
https://peterattiamd.com/2016-update/
that's like high Cat4 level at best. Are we really going to use that as the standard? There are literally thousands of cyclists with better fitness using no particular diet at all.