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Old 03-05-21, 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by WhyFi
AAAAAND now I see that, of course, Shimano offers this in Dura Ace at $200+

you could make your own. don’t think it has ever been done before.
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You can buy a Dura Ace 12-28 cassette if you don't mind the price and can find one in stock. My wife has one.

Edit: I see that you found that out.
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Originally Posted by WhyFi
Huh. I didn't even realize that there was an 11-25 option. Vs the 12-25, it looks like they take away the 18t in exchange for the 11t... Hmmm. I'm sure that I use the 18t a *lot* more than I'd ever use an 11t - hell, the 12t is the shiniest cog on the cassette - but I do get over 40 on occasion and gap between the 17t and 19t is pretty manageable within my preferred cadence range..

Oh hell - who am I kidding? It probably wouldn't move the needle much for me, either way. Now if there were a 12-28 available, that'd be a serious consideration.
I have 11-28s on the commuting and dirt wheels. There are a few hills here where it's nice to have, especially when you're not in the mood for big effort.

I have a 14-26 (forget the brand, but nice quality) 10-spd which I got for the Peter Mooney which has a 53-39.
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Originally Posted by bampilot06
you could make your own. don’t think it has ever been done before.
I wonder how many cassettes I'd need to buy to make that happen... I guess that I could take a look at the Shimano docs and see how many iterations of the 17t and 19t there are...

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You can buy a Dura Ace 12-28 cassette if you don't mind the price and can find one in stock. My wife has one.

Edit: I see that you found that out.
I mean, the price is a big stumbling block, but there's also the Ti construction of the 16t and bigger. How does that wear compared to the steel cogs? For whatever reason, I'm under the impression that it's worse. I actually had a DA cassette back in the 10-speed days, but I never paid attention to the wear rate and moved to 11-speed before replacing it.
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Originally Posted by WhyFi
I mean, the price is a big stumbling block, but there's also the Ti construction of the 16t and bigger. How does that wear compared to the steel cogs? For whatever reason, I'm under the impression that it's worse. I actually had a DA cassette back in the 10-speed days, but I never paid attention to the wear rate and moved to 11-speed before replacing it.
Word on the street is they wear much faster, but I don't know how much faster or if there has been any analysis on this. I am interested in knowing too. I have a mix of 105/Ultegra/DA cassettes on the pegboard of varying age, all 10 speed.
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I would love a 10s 13-28 cassette. Who needs 11t or 12t?

Not a wussy descender like me!
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You know those mornings when you wake up thinking you've got to go to work but then realize that it's your day off and that wave of calm washes over you?

This morning was the opposite of that
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anybody have spare 42mm drops collecting dust that they don’t want anymore?
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anybody have spare 42mm drops collecting dust that they don’t want anymore?
I do if someone gives me the set of crabon bars I want.
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I just purchased an 11-34 cassette for my 716, primarily for chainline reasons.

I have a 12-28 on there right now but I'm almost always in the largest 3-4 cogs when I'm in the big ring, so this will move my typical cruising gears more towards the middle of the cassette.

Also that bike seems to reward sitting and spinning up climbs more than getting out of the saddle. My chainrings are 46/30 so I should be able to climb about anything I find, even out in the Driftless (if I ever get out there)

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Originally Posted by bampilot06
anybody have spare 42mm drops collecting dust that they don’t want anymore?
Too narrow.
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Originally Posted by datlas
I would love a 10s 13-28 cassette. Who needs 11t or 12t?

Not a wussy descender like me!
IIRC, there's something like a 14-28t available in 11s, but man would I miss the 13t and (occasionally) the 12t.
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Originally Posted by abshipp
You know those mornings when you wake up thinking you've got to go to work but then realize that it's your day off and that wave of calm washes over you?

This morning was the opposite of that
Ha. I feel ya. During much of the evening, yesterday, I felt like it was Friday and, before going to bed, I had to remind myself that we weren't to the weekend just yet.
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IIRC, there's something like a 14-28t available in 11s, but man would I miss the 13t and (occasionally) the 12t.
Yeah I do use the 13t some but don't really need a 12 or 11t at this stage of my riding.
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Originally Posted by WhyFi
I wonder how many cassettes I'd need to buy to make that happen... I guess that I could take a look at the Shimano docs and see how many iterations of the 17t and 19t there are...
Man, there are no fewer than six 19t cogs and five 17t cogs.
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Originally Posted by abshipp
My chainrings are 46/30 so I should be able to climb about anything I find, even out in the Driftless (if I ever get out there)
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Originally Posted by genejockey

Gearing should be interesting. It's got the same 53/39 and 12-25 that I used to run on the Ritchey, and I used to climb a lot with that gearing. But I was younger then! Don't think I'll do any LONG climbs with it, but there are some short ones that may be worth trying.
I ran triples for 10+ years before I got the Seven and it came with a 52x39 crank and 12-25 10 speed cassette. I rode it like that for a while and it was fine for small climbs and even the 3 mile climb leading out of my valley but in the mountains, forget it.
I bought a Fulcrum Racing compact crank which fit the Ultratorque BB fine and Campagnolo cassettes are limited so I got 13-29, which allowed me to climb whatever I want but the 50x13 high wasn't high enough for fast rollers and working descents so I got a Miche 12-29 cassette.
Miche cassettes are available in lots of configurations and are (were) cheaper than Campagnolo or Dura Ace.

Way back I ran 52x42 for years and had a 28 on the back. That wouldn't work now.
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Originally Posted by bampilot06
anybody have spare 42mm drops collecting dust that they don’t want anymore?
Sure. I've got a couple of Specialized aluminum shallow drop bars. PM me.
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Originally Posted by datlas
Too narrow.
Ha. My brain autocorrected that one.
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Originally Posted by WhyFi
IIRC, there's something like a 14-28t available in 11s, but man would I miss the 13t and (occasionally) the 12t.
Junior gearing.
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Looks like a part I worked on early last year is in space now.

Good riddance, that thing was a PITA

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Yeah I do use the 13t some but don't really need a 12 or 11t at this stage of my riding.
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