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The reason I've never been happy on a modern road bike

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Old 09-06-11, 12:10 PM
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The reason I've never been happy on a modern road bike

Because I need 15 inches of tube!



Are there any modern "off the shelf" bikes that are built to accommodate this?

Here's a better pic to give you an idea of my geometry.
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How tall are you? Over 6' right? A custom frame might be a good choice. The Roubaix by Specialized has a tall head tube and relaxed fix, but not that relaxed....
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Almost 6'5"

A 64cm "modern" bike is usually a good height, but the top tube length on them gets crazy long for me. I do NOT like to be stretched out very far. I'm very comfortable on that 58cm top tube pictured.

I need that frame, just 3 inches taller. Not 3 inches longer.
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Here is my modern bike.

Custom Ti.

PM me for details.



ps it's a 65cm frame with a 56cm top tube. I have swapped out the upsloping stem for a 17 degree one so it looks less dorky now, just don't have a picture of that yet.
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p.s. there's a "that's what she said" bait in your post, but I won't touch it with a 15 inch tube.
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Originally Posted by datlas
p.s. there's a "that's what she said" bait in your post, but I won't touch it with a 15 inch tube.
Thanks. Cracking up and everyone in my office wants to know what's going on.
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not really 15" of head tube. you can have a modern bike with a steer tube sticking up like that (my wife does) maybe not carbon.
or you could also work on your flexibility and get more saddle to bar drop.
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not really 15" of head tube. you can have a modern bike with a steer tube sticking up like that (my wife does) maybe not carbon.
or you could also work on your flexibility and get more saddle to bar drop.
Bikes look pretty silly with 6 inches of headset spacers, wouldn't you agree? I don't want to deal with the added pressure on my wrists and neck to be bent way over like I'm on a track bike. I have a track bike for that
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BTW unless you have a TON of money to spend, you are going to be looking at a metal bike (Steel, Al, or Ti).

A custom, made-to-measure carbon fiber frame (just the frame + fork) is probably in the $5000 range.

My custom Ti Habanero was $1295 (just the frame).
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Bikes look pretty silly with 6 inches of headset spacers, wouldn't you agree? I don't want to deal with the added pressure on my wrists and neck to be bent way over like I'm on a track bike. I have a track bike for that
I do agree. i run a pretty aggressive setup and if you're doing it right, your core should keep the weight off your wrists. Neck may still be sore. nice bike btw.
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I'm not really interested in a carbon bike. I'm faster than a lot of people in our local club that ride 5,000 dollar bikes. I ride 4130 or 631 steel frames that cost me very little, relatively speaking. I don't race, I enjoy. I am steel. I am real.

I think 1300 for a custom Ti frame is an excellent price! What's the weight?

edit: It's still a lot of cash considering I can get a Surly frame from QBP for 300 bucks

What's that saying about spend the most money you can on shoes, underwear, and mattresses because you spend your whole life in one of them? I'm adding bikes to the list.
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Oooh! Oooh! Here's a newer pic, complete with less dorky 3T stem and Williams 38C carbon clinchers!!



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I'm not really interested in a carbon bike. I'm faster than a lot of people in our local club that ride 5,000 dollar bikes. I ride 4130 or 631 steel frames that cost me very little, relatively speaking. I don't race, I enjoy. I am steel. I am real.

I think 1300 for a custom Ti frame is an excellent price! What's the weight?
As above, with ultegra 6700 groupset, weight is approx 17.5 pounds.
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That's pretty awesome. My 631 fixed gear (which is considered very light) is at 16.5 pounds and it lacks all of the components of a road bike. I'm checking out the Habanero site..

https://www.habcycles.com/road.html
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check the geometry out on this nashbar frame
https://www.nashbar.com/bikes/Product...1_10000_202389

it lists center to top of the seat tube as 64.5 yet the top tube is only 56.5 with a 20.5 headtube
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https://www.habcycles.com/bigbike.jpg

That's AWESOME.
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Maybe one of these would suit. I don't know that I would exactly call it 'modern' however...

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That's a slick bike. What defines "modern" to me is something that can handle modern components. ie, 130/135mm spacing, standard/short reach calipers, etc.
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looks like two unicycles welded together....
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there are old vintage frames out there in huge sizes, top tube may be a bit long as you mentioned, but if they are steel it's easy enough to spread them to 130mm for modern wheels. there are plenty of 1"carbon fiber forks out there as well. SEems to me though that since your not looking for carbon, you could get custom steel made for yourself at a price point similar to what others pay for off the shelf carbon. probably a lot less.
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Do you live anywhere near Portland OR? Custom builder named Neil Cernitz here. Builds great steel bikes and custom paint. Let me know if you need contact info.
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Originally Posted by AaronAnderson
Because I need 15 inches of tube!

That is quite the post...
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What's your budget?

If you have plenty o' money, check out Lennard Zinn's website, he has the best reputation for dealing with the big boys.

I am on a major budget and that's why I went with the Habanero.

Zinn's "Project Big" site: https://zinncycles.com/Zinn/index.php/archives/1465
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I'm in Louisville KY - But not against traveling somewhere to get a frame properly fitted for me.

The first bike pictured is an "old steely" - 1989 Trek 420 that I had powdercoated and I'm working on polishing/restoring the rest of it.
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Originally Posted by datlas
What's your budget?

If you have plenty o' money, check out Lennard Zinn's website, he has the best reputation for dealing with the big boys.

I am on a major budget and that's why I went with the Habanero.

Zinn's "Project Big" site: https://zinncycles.com/Zinn/index.php/archives/1465
Even if I could afford something like that, I'd never spend it on a bike. I'm happy with the price/style of your Habanero. Slick ride.
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