Another Brompton Clone
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Another Brompton Clone
Apparently available now ...
https://www.cyclelogy.sg/collections...-bici-standard
No front mount. Aluminum frame. I assume that this is a descendant from Merc/Flamingo.
https://www.cyclelogy.sg/collections...-bici-standard
No front mount. Aluminum frame. I assume that this is a descendant from Merc/Flamingo.
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Oh ... I didn't see it in the archives. If I missed it and this is old news, my apologies.
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Apparently available now ...
https://www.cyclelogy.sg/collections...-bici-standard
No front mount. Aluminum frame. I assume that this is a descendant from Merc/Flamingo.
https://www.cyclelogy.sg/collections...-bici-standard
No front mount. Aluminum frame. I assume that this is a descendant from Merc/Flamingo.
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I really like the look of this but some of the parts are very low end. The handlebar stem and pedals look entry level at best. The main aluminium frame looks professional and with decent welds but the rear sub frame looks junk quality. How on earth is that level of welding acceptable. I assume that is a steel part welded in house due to its custom design to copy the Brompton design. Looks rubbish quality.
Actually seems expensive based on the quality of components and construction quality. I'd rather get a secondhand Brompton myself. Steel goes on for ever if its not allowed to corrode, it doesn't suffer from fatigue and I have my doubts whether this bike would last long, it looks like a basic copy at best. However I'd be more than happy to be proved wrong because the fold looks great and if the quality was good all round then fantastic but my initial great impression was soon darkened by looking more closely at the bike construction and its parts. I believe many Brompton clones are made in China but its often hard to search alibaba to find them. I found this sort of Brompton clone although not as direct as la bici.
https://www.alibaba.com/product-deta...7115.11.eRLkDp
Actually seems expensive based on the quality of components and construction quality. I'd rather get a secondhand Brompton myself. Steel goes on for ever if its not allowed to corrode, it doesn't suffer from fatigue and I have my doubts whether this bike would last long, it looks like a basic copy at best. However I'd be more than happy to be proved wrong because the fold looks great and if the quality was good all round then fantastic but my initial great impression was soon darkened by looking more closely at the bike construction and its parts. I believe many Brompton clones are made in China but its often hard to search alibaba to find them. I found this sort of Brompton clone although not as direct as la bici.
https://www.alibaba.com/product-deta...7115.11.eRLkDp
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That's an interesting Alibaba page. But the Alibaba bike's fold is somewhat different.
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Large diameter aluminum main frame (Flamingo/MIT has shaped, hydroformed tubes.) Folds to non-drive side. Latches with safeties, telescopic handlepost, rotatable bars, actual dropouts on the forks. Seems to be an independently conceived and executed Brompton homage. ~Five Benjamin US - not bad, not bad.
BTW - The Alibaba bike is inspired by the Oyama Space Genie of a decade+ ago. Different fold geometry.
BTW - The Alibaba bike is inspired by the Oyama Space Genie of a decade+ ago. Different fold geometry.
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I really like the look of this but some of the parts are very low end. The handlebar stem and pedals look entry level at best. The main aluminium frame looks professional and with decent welds but the rear sub frame looks junk quality. How on earth is that level of welding acceptable. I assume that is a steel part welded in house due to its custom design to copy the Brompton design. Looks rubbish quality.
Actually seems expensive based on the quality of components and construction quality. I'd rather get a secondhand Brompton myself. Steel goes on for ever if its not allowed to corrode, it doesn't suffer from fatigue and I have my doubts whether this bike would last long, it looks like a basic copy at best. However I'd be more than happy to be proved wrong because the fold looks great and if the quality was good all round then fantastic but my initial great impression was soon darkened by looking more closely at the bike construction and its parts. I believe many Brompton clones are made in China but its often hard to search alibaba to find them. I found this sort of Brompton clone although not as direct as la bici.
https://www.alibaba.com/product-deta...7115.11.eRLkDp
Actually seems expensive based on the quality of components and construction quality. I'd rather get a secondhand Brompton myself. Steel goes on for ever if its not allowed to corrode, it doesn't suffer from fatigue and I have my doubts whether this bike would last long, it looks like a basic copy at best. However I'd be more than happy to be proved wrong because the fold looks great and if the quality was good all round then fantastic but my initial great impression was soon darkened by looking more closely at the bike construction and its parts. I believe many Brompton clones are made in China but its often hard to search alibaba to find them. I found this sort of Brompton clone although not as direct as la bici.
https://www.alibaba.com/product-deta...7115.11.eRLkDp
The price is in Singapore Dollars, not US dollars ( US$1 = SG$1.385).
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Yes I realised it was singapore dollars not us dollars but still felt it was expensive considering the components and construction and also that price would be higher in Europe or US.
I don't have a Brompton or any intention to buy one but hats off to the company for providing a bike with great reliability and very long term lifespan. I like Raleigh Twenties and even though I have an example half a century old its still a strong usable frame that will outlast many new aluminium frame bikes.
The Brompton frame is designed around steel and the fact steel can flex without fatigue. Taking the impacts out of rough quality roads to the rider is part of that main steel tube. I'm not sure replacing it with a rigid thick aluminium tube is necessarily a good thing. Yes on face value people may think aluminium is more premium than steel but in reality for non competitive cycling I personally think steel is a lot better.
I'd rather a cheap clone of Brompton was still using steel for all parts of the frame personally. From what I've read its common for many factories in China to buy in their aluminium frames from major frame manufacturers like fuji-ta but produce welded steel parts and frames themselves and the quality of steel welding varies a lot. Of course I don't know but this looks to me like a bought in high quality aluminium frame but low end steel welding in-house. Many chinese manufacturers do very high quality steel welding but not all. You see chinese steel folding bikes from as little as $25 per unit on a 200-500 unit order on alibaba. The welding on that sub frame reminds me of the welds you get on some of those cheap $25 folders when you look close up at the frame welds. Not that all $25 bikes are badly welded some are look very good.
All steel bike here with a 150kg loading capacity.
https://www.alibaba.com/product-deta...7115.85.RBmD50
I'm just making the point if you are using lower end components in a low cost manufacturing country something like $100 manufacturing cost and $299 retail is easily achievable at least for direct sellers.
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Andrew Ritchie's inspired, inspiring folding bike design marches on! La Bici joins Beiou, Burke, Chedech, Dahon, Flamingo, MIT, Neo, Oyama, Pico, Sanye and probably others.
Nope. Here's the new, more refined Flamingo:
Flamingo 2017.jpg
A more refined Flamingo it is.
Flamingo 2017.jpg
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Andrew Ritchie's inspired, inspiring folding bike design marches on! La Bici joins Beiou, Burke, Chedech, Dahon, Flamingo, MIT, Neo, Oyama, Pico and Sanye and probably others.
Nope. Here's the new, more refined Flamingo:
Attachment 568493
Nope. Here's the new, more refined Flamingo:
Attachment 568493
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I generally agree with your perspective on costs but that's all relative. You are clearly not their target audience/clientele.
The Brompton frame is designed around steel and the fact steel can flex without fatigue. Taking the impacts out of rough quality roads to the rider is part of that main steel tube. I'm not sure replacing it with a rigid thick aluminium tube is necessarily a good thing. Yes on face value people may think aluminium is more premium than steel but in reality for non competitive cycling I personally think steel is a lot better.
But that steel can flex without fatigue idea is wrong.
All solid materials have a fatigue life. ALL. You can google about it.
Steel in general has a threshold for stress load, below which, the load cycle fatigue limit is almost infinite. Not quite but almost. So for a steel frame to demonstrate no fatigue failure in the long term, a frame has to be designed in such a way as to keep stress levels well below that stress load threshold, of the specific material in use.
Steel is not magic, its just that most bicycle frames are over-engineered in use with Steel.
The Brompton frame is designed around steel and the fact steel can flex without fatigue. Taking the impacts out of rough quality roads to the rider is part of that main steel tube. I'm not sure replacing it with a rigid thick aluminium tube is necessarily a good thing. Yes on face value people may think aluminium is more premium than steel but in reality for non competitive cycling I personally think steel is a lot better.
All solid materials have a fatigue life. ALL. You can google about it.
Steel in general has a threshold for stress load, below which, the load cycle fatigue limit is almost infinite. Not quite but almost. So for a steel frame to demonstrate no fatigue failure in the long term, a frame has to be designed in such a way as to keep stress levels well below that stress load threshold, of the specific material in use.
Steel is not magic, its just that most bicycle frames are over-engineered in use with Steel.
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I generally agree with your perspective on costs but that's all relative. You are clearly not their target audience/clientele.
But that steel can flex without fatigue idea is wrong.
All solid materials have a fatigue life. ALL. You can google about it.
Steel in general has a threshold for stress load, below which, the load cycle fatigue limit is almost infinite. Not quite but almost. So for a steel frame to demonstrate no fatigue failure in the long term, a frame has to be designed in such a way as to keep stress levels well below that stress load threshold, of the specific material in use.
Steel is not magic, its just that most bicycle frames are over-engineered in use with Steel.
But that steel can flex without fatigue idea is wrong.
All solid materials have a fatigue life. ALL. You can google about it.
Steel in general has a threshold for stress load, below which, the load cycle fatigue limit is almost infinite. Not quite but almost. So for a steel frame to demonstrate no fatigue failure in the long term, a frame has to be designed in such a way as to keep stress levels well below that stress load threshold, of the specific material in use.
Steel is not magic, its just that most bicycle frames are over-engineered in use with Steel.
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"'To google' was added to the Oxford English Dictionary on June 15, 2006, and to the eleventh edition of the Merriam-Webster Collegiate Dictionary in July 2006."
In other news, La Bici seems to be a redecal of the Neo, a Chinese origin Brompton homage folding bike that has appeared on this forum in the recent past.
Neo.jpg
In other news, La Bici seems to be a redecal of the Neo, a Chinese origin Brompton homage folding bike that has appeared on this forum in the recent past.
Neo.jpg
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All steel bike here with a 150kg loading capacity.
https://www.alibaba.com/product-deta...7115.85.RBmD50
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Meh..
# 16 shows a bike with a lot more trail, Handling may be rather weird.
# 16 shows a bike with a lot more trail, Handling may be rather weird.
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I think folding to the non-drive side is less than optimal. This leaves the greasy chain, and delicate chain tensioner/IHG cable exposed. That's another big thing I really like about my Brompton (w/rack) over my other folders - It has one really stable/well protected edge to stand on, and side to lie down on.
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Another copy, much closer to the one mentioned above:
"3Sixty CIGNA"
I guess Brompton doesn't have the money to sue companies in Asia, at least outside China.
"3Sixty CIGNA"
I guess Brompton doesn't have the money to sue companies in Asia, at least outside China.
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Pretty good prices, just a question of how well does it ride.