AlmostTrick

I always thought a (empty) baby buggy would be great for this. Watch 'em poop! lol

Feldman

Bravo; my 40 years of cycling have taught me that there's a difference between a human being and a motor vehicle operator, therefore the law should not treat MVO's as if they're human. Control that species by any means necessary--piss on the Constitution!

StrangeWill

Sad part is that my money is on that we wont see a real noticeable decrease in vehicular accidents, once Americans typically lose control of their vehicle at any speed, they panic, and have no formal training on what to really do minus about 5 minutes of class work...

And that is why again, I think we should model our driving courses after more foreign courses.

Ed Holland

I would agree, and add that here in California, thats before it starts raining... at which point the "fun" really starts.

Digital_Cowboy

I have to agree, can someone PLEASE explain to me why it is that when it starts raining that drivers do NOT slow down??? We had a accident on I-4 a couple of years ago that IF people had slowed down as soon as they saw that the conditions had changed wouldn't had been as bad as it was. And the first drivers through it when they found out that they were going to be ticketed for their contribution said that it wasn't fair that they were going to be ticketed.

jasony0423

I don't know much about red light cameras. I do know there's one in my town in the most bizarre place I can think of. You'd think they'd put them at busy intersections. There's busy intersection a few blocks up from this one, but they put the camera at the intersection where there's a main road, and a VERY minor side street.

StrangeWill

I can tell you, in newer cars that "separate" you from road conditions with nice suspension and power steering and an auto tranny, you can easily think you have more traction than you do...

Hence I love my all manual car, I can feel every little bump and slide in the wheel and tranny...

Digital_Cowboy

Exactly, which goes back to a statement I made in another thread about how auto makers should start having to foot the bill for injuries and deaths resulting from their products. I mean we've seen manufacturers of other products sued when someone "misused" their products. . .

Alox

Easy: governments post numerical speed limits, and drivers believe them, thinking that so long as they are driving at the limit, they'll be safe - in all conditions, and in spite of any variabilities in the age of their vehicle, and the state of its brakes, tires, suspension, competence of the driver, etc.

Years ago, the state of Montana had no posted speed limit, only the guideline "whatever's safe and prudent" for drivers. Many a driver thought this was an invitation to drive at high speeds throughout the state, but what it really required was that operators drive at speeds that reflected the road conditions at the time.

StrangeWill

You're supporting that people can sue manufacturers when idiots misuse their products?

squirtdad

Because they a big 4 wheel drive Suv and because of that the laws of physics don't apply. In a similar vein....people simply do not slow down in snow. I believe the California chain laws are less for traction and more to force people to slowdown. Of course the big 4 wheel drive SUV doesn't have to use chains and you see more of them getting pulled out of the ditch then other cars on I-80 to tahoe

Digital_Cowboy

To quote from the movie Under Siege 2: Dark Territory:

Travis Dane: Assumption is the mother of all f@#$ up's!

That's pretty much the "speed limit" on many stretches of the autobhan.

Digital_Cowboy

No, but it happens everyday, so why should auto makers be exempt? And given that auto makers safety concerns seem to be only for those INSIDE of the cages not outside of them don't they share some of the responsibility?

Digital_Cowboy

It's not just the "big SUV's" but the little "skateboards" as well. Other then lightening when I get stuck riding in the rain I'm worried about someone going too fast to stop in time.

Carusoswi

Yea, we could use GPS sensors not only for speed, but to track the whereabouts of drivers in general. If someone drives into the seedy area of town, we could start an investigation to catch and thwart suspected illegal activity of many kinds.

Why stop with GPS sensors? Heck, just install cameras in homes, cars, workplaces. We could catch folks cheating on their taxes or speaking in hushed tones against the current or subsequent government administrations.

As for driving, why allow individual control of a vehicle in the first place. We should install self driving modules and turn the responsibility for controlling a vehicle (and where and at what speed it is allowed to go) over to some guru agency that knows better than we what is in our best interest.

Just remember, as you advocate for extreme government control over an issue that obviously peeves you, your wish come true would include collateral control the extent of which you have scarcely considered.

I've never studied the issue, but would guess that the sort of red light running that causes accidents has little to do with stretching a yellow light, but is outright disregard for fully red signals.

As for speeding, the type that causes accidents is not the same as the type that occasionally causes typical drivers to catch an occasional ticket. GPS sensors would penalize the same harmless drivers that most speed traps target - normal drivers whose speed is not a safety issue.

Those who currently race at two and three times the posted limit will find some way around the system.

I hope your wish never comes to pass.

Caruso

remsav

Well, we're already there. GPS, RFID passports,drivers license,toll booth, cellphones etc... Just put them together and install enough cameras like the Brits and you have 24-7 tracking with video.

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