Living with/without a car
04-04-18, 04:07 PM
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Prefers Cicero
04-04-18, 04:15 PM
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Prefers Cicero
That tribe, if you go back enough generations, used to be a few hundred or a few thousand people. Now, based on your comment that you "got out" (of the US military?) and your earlier assertion that you would ensure the American population had food before you would send any food overseas, that tribe has swollen to 350 million people. And maybe, with allies, a few hundred million more than that. Only one order of magnitude to go!
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04-04-18, 04:31 PM
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That tribe, if you go back enough generations, used to be a few hundred or a few thousand people. Now, based on your comment that you "got out" (of the US military?) and your earlier assertion that you would insure the American population had food before you would send any food overseas, that tribe has swollen to 350 million people. And maybe, with allies, a few hundred million more than that. Only one order of magnitude to go!
04-04-18, 05:29 PM
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We listen to our own news programs and think we are something.
To a lot of the world we are the loud clowns with a distinct lack of social graces. they don't like us, they mostly don;'t hate us, and mostly they realize that we don't have much influence on their daily lives and just don't care much---"Let's see what the clown are up to lately."
Most of the place we're hated are places where we are killing people .... which is sort of easy to understand.
Don't buy the propaganda from our government any more than you'd buy it from any other government.
You've seen how tribalism works up close. In a lot fo countries, the U.S., Russia, China, are nations to be milked, nations which will help enrich the current regime so they can kill the other tribes. Nigeria is a great example ... Kenya, a Lot of Africa .... and Pakistan and Afghanistan are pretty much intent on killing different tribes using our money and guns ... they couldn't be bothered with us much otherwise.
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04-04-18, 06:33 PM
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not many people interested in destroying our lifestyle ... and goodly number that are, are in our own government---IMO.
We listen to our own news programs and think we are something.
To a lot of the world we are the loud clowns with a distinct lack of social graces. they don't like us, they mostly don;'t hate us, and mostly they realize that we don't have much influence on their daily lives and just don't care much---"Let's see what the clown are up to lately."
Most of the place we're hated are places where we are killing people .... which is sort of easy to understand.
Don't buy the propaganda from our government any more than you'd buy it from any other government.
You've seen how tribalism works up close. In a lot fo countries, the U.S., Russia, China, are nations to be milked, nations which will help enrich the current regime so they can kill the other tribes. Nigeria is a great example ... Kenya, a Lot of Africa .... and Pakistan and Afghanistan are pretty much intent on killing different tribes using our money and guns ... they couldn't be bothered with us much otherwise.
Bicycle.
We listen to our own news programs and think we are something.
To a lot of the world we are the loud clowns with a distinct lack of social graces. they don't like us, they mostly don;'t hate us, and mostly they realize that we don't have much influence on their daily lives and just don't care much---"Let's see what the clown are up to lately."
Most of the place we're hated are places where we are killing people .... which is sort of easy to understand.
Don't buy the propaganda from our government any more than you'd buy it from any other government.
You've seen how tribalism works up close. In a lot fo countries, the U.S., Russia, China, are nations to be milked, nations which will help enrich the current regime so they can kill the other tribes. Nigeria is a great example ... Kenya, a Lot of Africa .... and Pakistan and Afghanistan are pretty much intent on killing different tribes using our money and guns ... they couldn't be bothered with us much otherwise.
Bicycle.
Should I say MTB?
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04-04-18, 07:25 PM
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Some stuff …. (take as much as you need, I have plenty …)
No sensible person is trying or going to tell you you have to stop eating meat.
What people are talking about is that meat is extraordinarily expensive. We prop up the beef and dairy industry with our tax dollars as well as our food dollars. At some point people might get tired of that (like I am Thoroughly tired of subsidizing Exxon-Mobil while it is the most profitable company in the history of the human race, leasing public lands —Our land—for pennies and acre, getting the mineral rights, getting “exploration” subsidies, and then selling our own petroleum back to us a exorbitant profits.)
Some day beef might be more of a luxury than shrimp or lobster … more like truffles and caviar.
Thing is … there will always be some folks who are willing to raise small herds, and there will always be people willing to pay for beef.
One family can share a bull with ten others and have a few cows and the ecological impact isn’t too bad, compared to factory-farm-sized herds like we have now. The meat will be better, the price will be high, but for people who really want I, it will probably always be there …. Just like there will probably be people making steel-framed bicycles for years to come even if no manufacturer does.
But … beef and dairy come with a Huge economic and ecological cost on the scale we consume them … and for a lot of people it seems a pretty fair health cost as well. Factory farming is likely to go the way of coal mining … great in its time but simply not worth it any more.
(Sorry about your friend ... but don't let a few crazies represent everyone else. After all, we don't think Tim McVeigh was representative of America, right?)
No sensible person is trying or going to tell you you have to stop eating meat.
What people are talking about is that meat is extraordinarily expensive. We prop up the beef and dairy industry with our tax dollars as well as our food dollars. At some point people might get tired of that (like I am Thoroughly tired of subsidizing Exxon-Mobil while it is the most profitable company in the history of the human race, leasing public lands —Our land—for pennies and acre, getting the mineral rights, getting “exploration” subsidies, and then selling our own petroleum back to us a exorbitant profits.)
Some day beef might be more of a luxury than shrimp or lobster … more like truffles and caviar.
Thing is … there will always be some folks who are willing to raise small herds, and there will always be people willing to pay for beef.
One family can share a bull with ten others and have a few cows and the ecological impact isn’t too bad, compared to factory-farm-sized herds like we have now. The meat will be better, the price will be high, but for people who really want I, it will probably always be there …. Just like there will probably be people making steel-framed bicycles for years to come even if no manufacturer does.
But … beef and dairy come with a Huge economic and ecological cost on the scale we consume them … and for a lot of people it seems a pretty fair health cost as well. Factory farming is likely to go the way of coal mining … great in its time but simply not worth it any more.
(Sorry about your friend ... but don't let a few crazies represent everyone else. After all, we don't think Tim McVeigh was representative of America, right?)
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04-04-18, 09:09 PM
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Some stuff …. (take as much as you need, I have plenty …)
No sensible person is trying or going to tell you you have to stop eating meat.
What people are talking about is that meat is extraordinarily expensive. We prop up the beef and dairy industry with our tax dollars as well as our food dollars. At some point people might get tired of that (like I am Thoroughly tired of subsidizing Exxon-Mobil while it is the most profitable company in the history of the human race, leasing public lands —Our land—for pennies and acre, getting the mineral rights, getting “exploration” subsidies, and then selling our own petroleum back to us a exorbitant profits.)
Some day beef might be more of a luxury than shrimp or lobster … more like truffles and caviar.
Thing is … there will always be some folks who are willing to raise small herds, and there will always be people willing to pay for beef.
One family can share a bull with ten others and have a few cows and the ecological impact isn’t too bad, compared to factory-farm-sized herds like we have now. The meat will be better, the price will be high, but for people who really want I, it will probably always be there …. Just like there will probably be people making steel-framed bicycles for years to come even if no manufacturer does.
But … beef and dairy come with a Huge economic and ecological cost on the scale we consume them … and for a lot of people it seems a pretty fair health cost as well. Factory farming is likely to go the way of coal mining … great in its time but simply not worth it any more.
(Sorry about your friend ... but don't let a few crazies represent everyone else. After all, we don't think Tim McVeigh was representative of America, right?)
No sensible person is trying or going to tell you you have to stop eating meat.
What people are talking about is that meat is extraordinarily expensive. We prop up the beef and dairy industry with our tax dollars as well as our food dollars. At some point people might get tired of that (like I am Thoroughly tired of subsidizing Exxon-Mobil while it is the most profitable company in the history of the human race, leasing public lands —Our land—for pennies and acre, getting the mineral rights, getting “exploration” subsidies, and then selling our own petroleum back to us a exorbitant profits.)
Some day beef might be more of a luxury than shrimp or lobster … more like truffles and caviar.
Thing is … there will always be some folks who are willing to raise small herds, and there will always be people willing to pay for beef.
One family can share a bull with ten others and have a few cows and the ecological impact isn’t too bad, compared to factory-farm-sized herds like we have now. The meat will be better, the price will be high, but for people who really want I, it will probably always be there …. Just like there will probably be people making steel-framed bicycles for years to come even if no manufacturer does.
But … beef and dairy come with a Huge economic and ecological cost on the scale we consume them … and for a lot of people it seems a pretty fair health cost as well. Factory farming is likely to go the way of coal mining … great in its time but simply not worth it any more.
(Sorry about your friend ... but don't let a few crazies represent everyone else. After all, we don't think Tim McVeigh was representative of America, right?)
Never said anyone was trying to or could make me a vegetarian. At this juncture in time no reason to do so. Never heard of a world class veggie restaurant on Par with Wolfgang Pucks. I did live next door to a vegetarian that was my tennis partner however and he tried to turn me on to veggie loaf. I didn't care for it even with barbecue sauce. I do like Caviar and once got Beluga when in London. Big hit on the wallet.
We live in a world where me not eating meat today will not feed one more person in Africa, Asia, Ukraine or South America. Sending money might, depriving myself not so much. My not driving a car to see my son in another state will not add one more day to the human race if it is meant to taste the fate of the dinosaur. Right now I can get local grass fed beef and it is still in budget. How others get their food is up to others not me. If they want Tuna from Japan or beef from Tierra Del Fuego and they can pay for it I am not joining a boycott of those people.
My goal is to live my life the best way I know how. It is not to look to see if anyone else is following my example.
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04-09-18, 02:24 AM
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That went from LCF to Philosophy Talk fast.
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