Filing off lawyer tabs
03-17-11, 02:35 PM
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Nice - large cam handle.
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03-17-11, 02:40 PM
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So why the term-"lawyer tabs". What's the connection?
-Unnecessary imperfections?
-Being "lippy"?
-Something irritating and obnoxious?
-Unnecessary imperfections?
-Being "lippy"?
-Something irritating and obnoxious?
03-17-11, 02:42 PM
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03-17-11, 02:55 PM
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.....it's something stupid that most likely only came into being because someone sued.
It's like calling your seat belt in a car a lawyer's belt.
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03-17-11, 03:25 PM
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03-17-11, 03:47 PM
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I don't need to worry about it, all my bicycles are too old to have them.
03-17-11, 04:22 PM
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I'm filing mine down. 1) no more hassles and QR will actually work as a QR again 2) weight savings 3) more aerodynamic 4) it will handle better 5) look better 6) be better 7) be custom 8) all for free and 9) pads my post count by posting this
03-17-11, 04:28 PM
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*a problem that doesn't really need solving?*
03-17-11, 05:19 PM
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03-17-11, 05:51 PM
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The most stupid development in cycling. To take a device that's worked brilliantly for a million other riders in a zillion different conditions over the course of several decades, and negate it completely in order to protect one person who couldn't grasp the concept? Absurd.
Off they go.
Off they go.
03-17-11, 05:51 PM
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Sheldon Brown has an interesting take on lawyer lips creating inferior QR skewers
https://www.sheldonbrown.com/skewers.html
the article explains cheaper design techniques, but else were he blasts lawyer lips for the creation of cheap skewer designs, thus needing lawyer lips as a backup to the crappy skewer design. a cycle created for no good reason
https://www.sheldonbrown.com/skewers.html
the article explains cheaper design techniques, but else were he blasts lawyer lips for the creation of cheap skewer designs, thus needing lawyer lips as a backup to the crappy skewer design. a cycle created for no good reason
03-17-11, 08:00 PM
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not worth the trouble but I don't race. So maybe yeah, I can see it in that sense.
I take my front wheel off anytime I put my bike(s) in my truck so that I can rack them. But it doesn't seem like its enough hassle to justify the hassle of filing them off. If it only takes me 5 minutes per bike to file them off of the 2 bikes I own that have them, thats 5 minutes x 2 bikes x 60 seconds = 600 seconds. That's 200 wheel removals before my time was worthwhile
I take my front wheel off anytime I put my bike(s) in my truck so that I can rack them. But it doesn't seem like its enough hassle to justify the hassle of filing them off. If it only takes me 5 minutes per bike to file them off of the 2 bikes I own that have them, thats 5 minutes x 2 bikes x 60 seconds = 600 seconds. That's 200 wheel removals before my time was worthwhile
03-17-11, 09:27 PM
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not worth the trouble but I don't race. So maybe yeah, I can see it in that sense.
I take my front wheel off anytime I put my bike(s) in my truck so that I can rack them. But it doesn't seem like its enough hassle to justify the hassle of filing them off. If it only takes me 5 minutes per bike to file them off of the 2 bikes I own that have them, thats 5 minutes x 2 bikes x 60 seconds = 600 seconds. That's 200 wheel removals before my time was worthwhile
I take my front wheel off anytime I put my bike(s) in my truck so that I can rack them. But it doesn't seem like its enough hassle to justify the hassle of filing them off. If it only takes me 5 minutes per bike to file them off of the 2 bikes I own that have them, thats 5 minutes x 2 bikes x 60 seconds = 600 seconds. That's 200 wheel removals before my time was worthwhile
03-17-11, 09:48 PM
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I don't have 'em on my early 1980s Ciocc. I doubt master framebuilder Giovanni Pelizzoli even knows what a "lawyer tab" is.
03-18-11, 07:47 AM
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I really don't see it as a big issue either way.
It just takes an added two- three seconds to change a wheel with them. It might make a difference in a wheel change in a RR, but my day is usually over when I flat in a RR anyway.
I do like the added security on the car rack.
Also you can use long throw cams on the bike rack to make it easier racking the bike., which solves part of the problem. https://www.bikeman.com/QR6121.html?u...ign=GoogleBase
Last point, I wouldn't file the tabs off carbon dropouts on all carbon forks.
It just takes an added two- three seconds to change a wheel with them. It might make a difference in a wheel change in a RR, but my day is usually over when I flat in a RR anyway.
I do like the added security on the car rack.
Also you can use long throw cams on the bike rack to make it easier racking the bike., which solves part of the problem. https://www.bikeman.com/QR6121.html?u...ign=GoogleBase
Last point, I wouldn't file the tabs off carbon dropouts on all carbon forks.
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03-18-11, 07:51 AM
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By the way, I would like to mention that my bikes have exploded & I am dead because I have done the following:
- Filed off lawyer lips
- Put 130 mm wheels in old 126 mm Cannondale frames
- Rewelded (TIG) a dropout on an old Cannondale ( pre-replaceable dropouts) - my current rain bike
- Using a '5 speed' crankset and 1984 Campy NR FD with Campy 10 drivetrain
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That looks really cool. Unfortunately, it apparently requires a proprietary drop out.
https://www.clixqr.com/ProductComparison%20.htm
https://www.clixqr.com/ProductComparison%20.htm
I only know about them since they came on my girlfriends Trek 2.1 standard. I don't know how that fork in particular is proprietary but I will look at it when I get home.
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From the CLIXqr FAQ:
Can a CLIX wheel be used on any bicycle?
No. Never use a CLIX wheel on any other bicycle. It can only be used on the bicycle it originally came with.
Can a CLIX wheel be used on any bicycle?
No. Never use a CLIX wheel on any other bicycle. It can only be used on the bicycle it originally came with.
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I doubt you'll have a catastorphic failure, but I could see it ending up shortening the life of the dropout.
A CF dropout already is at risk for damage from impact an abrasion. I don't want to accelerate the process
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I was surprised to find out how long ago quick-release skewers were invented. Campagnolo was a genius.
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I'm talking about an all CF fork. When you file off the tab, you're cutting into the fibers of the dropout. I wouldn't want to take the risk that you're weakening the dropout and or increasing the likelyhood it will abraid or delaminate over time.
I doubt you'll have a catastorphic failure, but I could see it ending up shortening the life of the dropout.
A CF dropout already is at risk for damage from impact an abrasion. I don't want to accelerate the process
I doubt you'll have a catastorphic failure, but I could see it ending up shortening the life of the dropout.
A CF dropout already is at risk for damage from impact an abrasion. I don't want to accelerate the process
Again, the tabs are not structural and I mentioned that "If done carefully it shouldn't be an issue". There just needs to be some care taken when doing it, just like when cutting a carbon fork steerer.