"Suicide Levers" Really???
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What would happen was you'd notice something felt odd or loose and look down, see that the right side of bars was unconnected. Full compensation by left side had already occurred. No one ever panicked. It could take a minute to extricate oneself from pack but everyone knew what was happening and everyone cooperated. Only new guys were surprised and no one startled..
To achieve such casual competence handlebars must have failed like twigs in a hurricane, and with metronome like regularity en peloton.
Astoundingly bad luck for your cadre.
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Some of us with long memories will also recall when Cinelli 'bars were made with soft metal and would droop in a seasons use. Basically replaced annually. Cinelli bars were good but compared to current production none of them were that good.
When reaching down to shift there is no need to think about balance. When grabbing a waterbottle there is no need to calculate and plan, you just grab the bottle. Same for breaking a handlebar. Controlling the bike is automatic. Does not require special skills. Nonchalant? Maybe. The alternative is to throw your hands in the air, scream, drop the bike. Simple choice.
There's a whole litany of these things that are supposed to go wrong and be impossible to handle. Breaking cranks makes you fall?? Striking a pedal launches the bike into next county? Plastic waterbottles cause cancer. Exposed brake cables are just treacherous. Breaking an axle on a freewheel hub does something awful, I am not sure what. And on and on. And the experts endorse all this.
My own take is most enthusiast type riders are sitting so high and forward their bikes are not stable. Many will never have experienced a stable bike. In a tight situation no, you cannot control a tri-bike or a TT bike or any bike set up to mimic that style. Plus they are too busy with GPS and phone to watch the road.
When reaching down to shift there is no need to think about balance. When grabbing a waterbottle there is no need to calculate and plan, you just grab the bottle. Same for breaking a handlebar. Controlling the bike is automatic. Does not require special skills. Nonchalant? Maybe. The alternative is to throw your hands in the air, scream, drop the bike. Simple choice.
There's a whole litany of these things that are supposed to go wrong and be impossible to handle. Breaking cranks makes you fall?? Striking a pedal launches the bike into next county? Plastic waterbottles cause cancer. Exposed brake cables are just treacherous. Breaking an axle on a freewheel hub does something awful, I am not sure what. And on and on. And the experts endorse all this.
My own take is most enthusiast type riders are sitting so high and forward their bikes are not stable. Many will never have experienced a stable bike. In a tight situation no, you cannot control a tri-bike or a TT bike or any bike set up to mimic that style. Plus they are too busy with GPS and phone to watch the road.
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Reverse action Benelux rear derailleur on my 1958 Sun makes sense to me. If the cable breaks or slips, I get to ride home in the default lowest gear. In modern terms "limp home" mode. You also have to shift with a "suicide" DT shifter but it's much safer because there is only one of them!
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Campagnolo Corsa, 1940s. Just reach back, unlatch the hub quick release (!), move the chain with the other lever, then lock the hub again. It required a toothed dropout to keep both sides of the hub aligned.
1947 Legnano (scroll down)
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I thought you all were crazy, then just yesterday one of my co-workers (young guy, PhD, maybe 30) looks at my bike parked next to my desk, looks at the shift levers and asks, "what are those for?"
Oh, and @Bandera, saw a guy ride into the transition area of a triathlon in Santa Rosa, CA once with one hand holding a broken off piece of handlebar. So, yeah, it happens. Funny thing is he rode the last 12 miles of the race like that, then got off to do his 10k run...
Oh, and @Bandera, saw a guy ride into the transition area of a triathlon in Santa Rosa, CA once with one hand holding a broken off piece of handlebar. So, yeah, it happens. Funny thing is he rode the last 12 miles of the race like that, then got off to do his 10k run...
Using a rotary phone:
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Some things are just not very obvious.
Using a rotary phone:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OADXNGnJok
Using a rotary phone:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OADXNGnJok
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I still reach down to the DT to shift occasionally, then I laugh at myself, because I currently have no DT shifters except on my trainer bike, which rarely gets shifted.
I always reached behind the seat stays to wipe my rear tire. And used my fingertips. Even BITD this was considered extremely risky, but I had no issues. Now all my bikes have fenders, and I keep putting off buying tire wipers.
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Suicide Levers?,, so for many years I was carelessly risking my life with those Levers and Toe Clips/Straps?
I never knew ..
I never knew ..
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Reverse action Benelux rear derailleur on my 1958 Sun makes sense to me. If the cable breaks or slips, I get to ride home in the default lowest gear. In modern terms "limp home" mode. You also have to shift with a "suicide" DT shifter but it's much safer because there is only one of them!
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I don’t know where everyone else here rides.
Over the last three years I have averaged over 5,000 miles a year (I know that is not that much but between surgeries, broken bones and other health issues my time on the bike has been curtailed). And yet in all of my rides I have never come across a group of riders yelling out any such things at me.
Either the riders in my area are very considerate, or they respect my greying beard, or these stories are mostly made up.
Over the last three years I have averaged over 5,000 miles a year (I know that is not that much but between surgeries, broken bones and other health issues my time on the bike has been curtailed). And yet in all of my rides I have never come across a group of riders yelling out any such things at me.
Either the riders in my area are very considerate, or they respect my greying beard, or these stories are mostly made up.
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I've got the same on my '58 Raleigh Lenton Grand Prix. Like the derailleur very much, was surprise how well something that old performed. Of course, there is this little matter of running a virtual corncob on the rear due to design limitations. The only mistake I made on restoring mine was using a five speed chain, where I understand I should have used a single speed chain. If I'm not quick on the front change, it'll drop the chain in between the chainwheels, and that's a ***** to get out.
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I've always thought "Suicide Levers" were the horizontal brake lever extensions on older low-end road bikes. They were called this because they offered poor stopping power compared to the main vertically oriented brake levers.
Isn't this the proper use of "Suicide Lever"?
Isn't this the proper use of "Suicide Lever"?
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Suicide levers? Yeah just looking at them is killer.
I rank them right up there with other fine quality components such as stem shifters and dork discs.
I rank them right up there with other fine quality components such as stem shifters and dork discs.
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I've always thought "Suicide Levers" were the horizontal brake lever extensions on older low-end road bikes. They were called this because they offered poor stopping power compared to the main vertically oriented brake levers.
Isn't this the proper use of "Suicide Lever"?
Isn't this the proper use of "Suicide Lever"?
As lostarchitect astutely observed in post #11 , most likely people have heard the term, but never seen actual safety levers. They haven't been a feature on new bikes for around 35 years, and the new generation of riders has never seen them. So the assumption was made that it must be downtube shifters that are suicide levers.
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I don’t know where everyone else here rides.
Over the last three years I have averaged over 5,000 miles a year (I know that is not that much but between surgeries, broken bones and other health issues my time on the bike has been curtailed). And yet in all of my rides I have never come across a group of riders yelling out any such things at me.
Either the riders in my area are very considerate, or they respect my greying beard, or these stories are mostly made up.
Last weekend, on a fine muddy day, I crossed paths with a group gravel ride, lots of carbon, predominately disc brakes. One of the riders shouted at me "Center pull brakes? Come with us!" (OK, I'll admit that it was Otis Guy doing the shouting... and he's been around as long as I have.)
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This is my experience also. Although, when riding my vintage bikes, I am regularly passed by thirty-year-old riders in full team kit who will shout "Ooh! Nice bike!"
Last weekend, on a fine muddy day, I crossed paths with a group gravel ride, lots of carbon, predominately disc brakes. One of the riders shouted at me "Center pull brakes? Come with us!" (OK, I'll admit that it was Otis Guy doing the shouting... and he's been around as long as I have.)
Brent
Last weekend, on a fine muddy day, I crossed paths with a group gravel ride, lots of carbon, predominately disc brakes. One of the riders shouted at me "Center pull brakes? Come with us!" (OK, I'll admit that it was Otis Guy doing the shouting... and he's been around as long as I have.)
Brent
I used to have center pull brakes on an old Schwinn Le Tour, they worked just fine.
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This story is 100% true. Really, what incentive would I have to make something like this up. If you don't believe me that's your problem.
Of course, almost all comments I get on the road are friendly "Cool old bike" or "what is that?" sorts of things. Most common of course are the usual good mornings and complaints about headwinds, weather, etc...
Of course, almost all comments I get on the road are friendly "Cool old bike" or "what is that?" sorts of things. Most common of course are the usual good mornings and complaints about headwinds, weather, etc...
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I run a 5 speed chain on mine and the old chain on it was a worn out 5 speed as well. It actually has never happened to me. I get the virtual corncob comment. I've often referred to the Sun as "single speed with five levels of difficulty"! Do you have pics of the '58 Lenton on BF? Love to see it.
I've had this bike about ten years now, it's one of my earlier restorations. The wheels are now period (this photo was taken immediately after the build was done, but I hadn't come up with the acceptable hubs at the time) correct, but not stock. Everything else was done to factory spec. I'd gotten the bike about 60% complete, no wheels, fenders or rear derailleur. Fenders are old Blumel Populars, which is the closest I could fudge to original. Love riding the bike, I really enjoy the slack angles. Catching up to a ride is usually an enjoyable time, after the rest of the rider's eyes stop bugging out. In most rides I've been on, the bike has been older than 90% of my co-riders. And I'm normally riding blackwall tires on the bike, as I've found that the rims won't hold gumwalls on at anything over 70psi.
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I've had this bike about ten years now, it's one of my earlier restorations. The wheels are now period (this photo was taken immediately after the build was done, but I hadn't come up with the acceptable hubs at the time) correct, but not stock. Everything else was done to factory spec. I'd gotten the bike about 60% complete, no wheels, fenders or rear derailleur. Fenders are old Blumel Populars, which is the closest I could fudge to original. Love riding the bike, I really enjoy the slack angles. Catching up to a ride is usually an enjoyable time, after the rest of the rider's eyes stop bugging out. In most rides I've been on, the bike has been older than 90% of my co-riders. And I'm normally riding blackwall tires on the bike, as I've found that the rims won't hold gumwalls on at anything over 70psi.
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