Koyote

That guy is a true artisan.

veganbikes

Hummunuh hummunuh hummunuh Totally modern tons of vintage works so well. It is hard to pull that off so well.

cs1

I have so much money invested in rim bike frames it doesn't make sense to switch. I would have to sell some very nice bikes to afford one nice disc bike.

Ironfish653

Then you’re obviously an unwashed heathen; a sophisticated cyclist would find the flywheel effect of those massive brake rotors impossible to ignore, provided you can even keep it upright with all that hardware hanging off the left side.

I think you need to evaluate the crispness of your sock lines.

elcruxio

So let me get this straight. Your contrubution to the discussion (which is about bikes, and brakes and stuff) was basically:

"Do you have any idea who you're talking to? He's got real smarts, you stoopid!"

Cool cool cool cool! No doubt no doubt no doubt...

I'll just leave this apt quote here

Camilo

I think McKenzie Pass is more fun going the other way (Up from Sisters, down the other side. Talk about long sweeping curves! No problem riding within the speed of the cars. I've gone both ways.

PeteHski

I'm curious what makes you think he's intelligent and smart?

PeteHski

This was basically the observation I made a few pages back. It stands out to me like dog's balls on a cat, except to the deluded few.

PeteHski

I know this is just your opinion, but it is misguided. Any redundant flex (i.e. excess lever movement that isn't producing any actual braking force) in the braking system will reduce your fine control. If your brakes were on/off, it was for another unrelated reason.

smd4

His opinion is "misguided?" Seriously? Let me say that again: His...OPINION.

smd4

Isn't it obvious?

mstateglfr 

smd4

I would consider neither of these a benefit.

Koyote

So disc brakes are pointless because you don’t benefit from them.

That’s some iron-clad logic!

smd4

Man, nice! Talk about a complete logical fallacy! Mostly because I wrote NONE of that!

prj71

7 disc brake bikes in my garage and I've never had to do this ever. That's even after accidentally getting chain lube on the rotor. Just ride and it burns off.

PeteHski

So if you have an opinion, it must be correct? Is that what you are trying to say?

PeteHski

Not to me. I was thinking the exact opposite.

smd4

I didn't think it was humanly possible to misconstrue simple sentences so badly. I stand corrected!

Even I can admit when I'm wrong!

Koyote

If you could, you’d be very busy.

smd4

HA! Good one! Let me wipe the tear away from my eye...

PeteHski

Not sure if this is funny or sad. Maybe both.

elcruxio

They were doing that yes. But they were nowhere as fast as today's riders. Of course courses have also evolved some as trailbuilding has picked up, but dual suspension long travel allows you to hit larger bumps faster and you have a lot more braking and cornering traction.


this was pretty well refuted by peterhski so I'll just agree with what he said.

If you don't brake on ice here you don't ride. But it was a bit of a test about how far I could push the bike and myself. Pretty far it seems.

But with some of our steeper MUP's it is indeed necessary to toe the line of traction when it's icy. Kt's that, overspeeding or walking.


Less accurate doesn't directly implicate inaccurate.

What I mean with accuracy is the ability to apply desired amount of deceleration at the desired time and for desired duration. The less accurate the brake system, more difficult it gets to do hard pulsed staccato brakings.

One such situation is our sheer rock hills where you'll have hundreds of meters of rolling smoothish granite shaped by glaciers and oceans of old. During the winter numerous water streams freeze on the surface creating canted downhill trails where you have areas of massive grip and areas of absolutely no traction. Braking on canted ice will launch a tire even if it was coated with chainsaw blades. When you get those frozen streams every two meters or so you want to be really good at brake pulsing or you'll go down or overspeed and have a bad time at the bottom.

the second example is technical downhills. As I mentioned earlier, we don't have trail management as we don't really have dedicated mtb-trails. Ie.
we don't have flow trails. All of our trails are technical. braking against a rock will stick the bike and throw you over the bars. Braking over a diagonal damp root will launch the front tire to space. So you'll really be only able to brake on the smooth spots, of which there aren't many and all of which are small.

Of course speed corrects all errors, but if there's a hairpin etc. at the bottom I don't want to hit that full speed.

If brakes are touchy, doesn't that by definition mean that they're more powerful?


I may have addressed this above.

That's not what I meant though. The GRX's are the first road brakes I've used where I've felt that getting over the bars would be even possible. That, I think should be the minimum requirement. Not even avid bb7's with 203mm rotors could do that.

They would be, but that's add even more weight to them. And more stuff to fix and maintain. But this wasn't an issue of front wheel wandering. It was just not having enough stopping power so I was in danger of overshooting a corner.


if we had such elevation with our terrain and trails, coming down 3500 meters would take all day. Very little hurtling would be done. Seriously my road avg speed is 30kph but my offroad speed on our trails even when they're smoothed by snow in less than 10kph.


I've used hydraulic brakes for 15 years now and during that time they've gotten markedly better.


I don't see how peak speeds are relevant.

alfaspider

........wow..its gets mean in here..lots of touchy ego's..

7up

I have a mix of bikes with one having drum brakes front and rear.The last time I rode that bike going down a hill trying to stop was an experience I won’t soon forget.Definitely made my rim brake bikes seem high tech in the stopping department.