Steel All-road frames
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Steel All-road frames
Help me find options for what I'm looking for.
I recently built up a 70s Windsor all an all road bike and I'll admit, it has opened my eyes to how a full steel bike can feel on the road. Really the only thing I'd change on it if I could is I'd make it disc brake and wider tire clearance.
So what's out there that is disc (preferably post mount), threaded BB, lively geo, full steel, and 38-40mm tire clearance at least? And not full custom prices.
I was looking at BMC but it seems like he doesn't make a disc version of anything except the Road+ frame. (Which is actually a pretty cool frame, and I love the lugged fork :heart:
Also looked at:
Soma Fog Cutter - pretty good contender
I recently built up a 70s Windsor all an all road bike and I'll admit, it has opened my eyes to how a full steel bike can feel on the road. Really the only thing I'd change on it if I could is I'd make it disc brake and wider tire clearance.
So what's out there that is disc (preferably post mount), threaded BB, lively geo, full steel, and 38-40mm tire clearance at least? And not full custom prices.
I was looking at BMC but it seems like he doesn't make a disc version of anything except the Road+ frame. (Which is actually a pretty cool frame, and I love the lugged fork :heart:
Also looked at:
Soma Fog Cutter - pretty good contender
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https://blackmtncycles.com/frames/mcd-frames/
Thru axels. Takes wide tires. Disc brakes. Good price.
I think will take up to 45mm tires
Thru axels. Takes wide tires. Disc brakes. Good price.
I think will take up to 45mm tires
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https://blackmtncycles.com/frames/mcd-frames/
Thru axels. Takes wide tires. Disc brakes. Good price.
I think will take up to 45mm tires
Thru axels. Takes wide tires. Disc brakes. Good price.
I think will take up to 45mm tires
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I built up a Jamis Renegade Escapade and at $850 for the frameset (with carbon fork), I think it's a great deal. Threaded BB, thru axles, clearance for 700 x 42 or 650 x 47.
https://www.jamisbikes.com/usa/reneg...ade_frame.html
https://www.jamisbikes.com/usa/reneg...ade_frame.html
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When I was looking for something like what you describe a couple years ago, my short list came down to:
Soma Fog Cutter
All City Space Horse
Twin Six Standard Rando.
I went with the Fog Cutter. Only the CF fork was available at the time, I might have gone with the steel one if I were doing it over. I like the bike a lot.
Recently, A friend got a Space Horse. Very nice bike, and the paint scheme is pretty freaking cool. Having checked hers out, I could have been happy with either frame, and cost was similar.
Soma Fog Cutter
All City Space Horse
Twin Six Standard Rando.
I went with the Fog Cutter. Only the CF fork was available at the time, I might have gone with the steel one if I were doing it over. I like the bike a lot.
Recently, A friend got a Space Horse. Very nice bike, and the paint scheme is pretty freaking cool. Having checked hers out, I could have been happy with either frame, and cost was similar.
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Copied from the Paceline post for completeness:
I agonized over this same question for the past couple months before finally buying a Black Mountain Road+ last week (still haven't received it or built it up yet so I can't comment) but here was the list that I compiled that somewhat fits this category.
I am in the "much more road than all road" category so some of these are definitely more pavement oriented. In the end it came down to the Black Mountain Road+ and the Soma Fog Cutter. That Fog Cutter can be had for $600 with the carbon fork and Velomine has some really decent 700c disc wheels for $200.
- Black Mountain Cycles Road+
- Soma Fog Cutter
- Soma Double Cross Disc
- Jamis Renegade
- All City Space Horse
- Velo Orange Polyvalent
- Niner RLT 9 steel
- Velo Orange Pass Hunter (new version not yet released)
- Fairdale Rockitship
- Kona Rove ST
- Twin Six Standard Rando
- Fairlight Secan
Building up the Road+ with a Shimano 105 groupset and going to have a go building my own wheels with the Pacenti Forza Disc rims laced to Shimano R7070 hubs.
PS: you guys and your Fog Cutter builds are making me have a twinge of buyer's remorse!
I agonized over this same question for the past couple months before finally buying a Black Mountain Road+ last week (still haven't received it or built it up yet so I can't comment) but here was the list that I compiled that somewhat fits this category.
I am in the "much more road than all road" category so some of these are definitely more pavement oriented. In the end it came down to the Black Mountain Road+ and the Soma Fog Cutter. That Fog Cutter can be had for $600 with the carbon fork and Velomine has some really decent 700c disc wheels for $200.
- Black Mountain Cycles Road+
- Soma Fog Cutter
- Soma Double Cross Disc
- Jamis Renegade
- All City Space Horse
- Velo Orange Polyvalent
- Niner RLT 9 steel
- Velo Orange Pass Hunter (new version not yet released)
- Fairdale Rockitship
- Kona Rove ST
- Twin Six Standard Rando
- Fairlight Secan
Building up the Road+ with a Shimano 105 groupset and going to have a go building my own wheels with the Pacenti Forza Disc rims laced to Shimano R7070 hubs.
PS: you guys and your Fog Cutter builds are making me have a twinge of buyer's remorse!
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I've been intrigued by BikesDirect 853 Gravel frameset.
Full Reynolds 853. Disc, thru axels, says capable of 700c*40.
Edit: Fork is Carbon
Full Reynolds 853. Disc, thru axels, says capable of 700c*40.
Edit: Fork is Carbon
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I built up a Jamis Renegade Escapade and at $850 for the frameset (with carbon fork), I think it's a great deal. Threaded BB, thru axles, clearance for 700 x 42 or 650 x 47.
https://www.jamisbikes.com/usa/reneg...ade_frame.html
https://www.jamisbikes.com/usa/reneg...ade_frame.html
BTW, I have a new never ridden Steel Bombtrack gravel bike frame with carbon fork available that will fit someone about 5'10" - 6'. PM me if you are interested. It is European Columbus steel and very beautiful! Never ridden...
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Help me find options for what I'm looking for.
I recently built up a 70s Windsor all an all road bike and I'll admit, it has opened my eyes to how a full steel bike can feel on the road. Really the only thing I'd change on it if I could is I'd make it disc brake and wider tire clearance.
So what's out there that is disc (preferably post mount), threaded BB, lively geo, full steel, and 38-40mm tire clearance at least? And not full custom prices.
I was looking at BMC but it seems like he doesn't make a disc version of anything except the Road+ frame. (Which is actually a pretty cool frame, and I love the lugged fork :heart
Also looked at:
Soma Fog Cutter - pretty good contender
I recently built up a 70s Windsor all an all road bike and I'll admit, it has opened my eyes to how a full steel bike can feel on the road. Really the only thing I'd change on it if I could is I'd make it disc brake and wider tire clearance.
So what's out there that is disc (preferably post mount), threaded BB, lively geo, full steel, and 38-40mm tire clearance at least? And not full custom prices.
I was looking at BMC but it seems like he doesn't make a disc version of anything except the Road+ frame. (Which is actually a pretty cool frame, and I love the lugged fork :heart
Also looked at:
Soma Fog Cutter - pretty good contender
The Black Mountain MCD frame, as mentioned, is an option. I really like the geometry and set up my old rim brake frame for commuting/touring. The geometry is very 'middle' in that nothing is super aggressive or super slack.
The frame is made with .8/.5/.8 heat treated tubing and the paint is really quality. Its wet paint with a clear coat powder.
50mm tires fit, thru axle, post mount brakes.
The MCD frames have a good bit of stack height to them, just a specific mention since you've said you like a more stretched out setup. The reach is a bit more than most frames I compared, for what its worth.
Then you have Surly.
And then you move on.
As mentioned, Soma is a great option and there are multiple forks to give you a more custom setup based on how you want to ride(low trail or mid trail, basically).
All City Spacehorse is a full steel frameset for a reasonable price and comes in 3 colors.
And I bring in something outta left field- Fairlight Faran. Not one that would be mentioned, just due to small size and being across the pond.
Reynolds 631 shaped main tubes with S bend stays. Room for 42mm tire. Post mount brakes. Geometry that is more road than slack. 3 different frame colors.
$770 for frame, fork, headset, and seat collar.
If you do go with a steel frame and carbon fork, there are obviously tons of option- many already mentioned.
And bombtrack seems to be a popular option to see mentioned...its columbus cromer tubing which is .9/.6/.9 butting. It's perfectly fine, but I mention this because generic tubing or 631 is thinner/lighter and strong.
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Help me find options for what I'm looking for.
I recently built up a 70s Windsor all an all road bike and I'll admit, it has opened my eyes to how a full steel bike can feel on the road. Really the only thing I'd change on it if I could is I'd make it disc brake and wider tire clearance.
So what's out there that is disc (preferably post mount), threaded BB, lively geo, full steel, and 38-40mm tire clearance at least? And not full custom prices.
I was looking at BMC but it seems like he doesn't make a disc version of anything except the Road+ frame. (Which is actually a pretty cool frame, and I love the lugged fork :heart
Also looked at:
Soma Fog Cutter - pretty good contender
I recently built up a 70s Windsor all an all road bike and I'll admit, it has opened my eyes to how a full steel bike can feel on the road. Really the only thing I'd change on it if I could is I'd make it disc brake and wider tire clearance.
So what's out there that is disc (preferably post mount), threaded BB, lively geo, full steel, and 38-40mm tire clearance at least? And not full custom prices.
I was looking at BMC but it seems like he doesn't make a disc version of anything except the Road+ frame. (Which is actually a pretty cool frame, and I love the lugged fork :heart
Also looked at:
Soma Fog Cutter - pretty good contender
Midnight special
https://surlybikes.com/bikes/midnight_special
I mean if you want fat tires and lively. It's with this bike. Road geo but can do so much more.
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Yes, not a feather.
I often find this among the under $1000 steel framesets- they certainly arent light and in the case of the Faran, it's to meet whatever the certifications over there are.
The Jamis Renegade 631 frame in size 56 weighs 4.93#, so in line with a slightly smaller Faran weighing slightly less.
Meanwhile, the largest Black Mountain MCD frame weighs 2275g or 5 pounds with what I would guess is probably the thinnest butting and profile on this price range of frames.
Since you built up the fog cutter, what does that frame and fork weigh?
This stuff always interests me since it is so uncommon to list on websites.
I often find this among the under $1000 steel framesets- they certainly arent light and in the case of the Faran, it's to meet whatever the certifications over there are.
The Jamis Renegade 631 frame in size 56 weighs 4.93#, so in line with a slightly smaller Faran weighing slightly less.
Meanwhile, the largest Black Mountain MCD frame weighs 2275g or 5 pounds with what I would guess is probably the thinnest butting and profile on this price range of frames.
Since you built up the fog cutter, what does that frame and fork weigh?
This stuff always interests me since it is so uncommon to list on websites.
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Don't sleep on the Ribble CGR series. There's a steel version that gets good reviews, ticks your boxes, and is a solid value (subtract 17% VAT from the listed price but add shipping cost). I have a currency value alert set on the pound. If it drops low enough I'm gonna snatch one of these up.
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X2 on this! Jamis has been making great steel bikes for 3 generations now. The Renegade is on the third generation of frames and really has it dialed in. Great carbon fork as well. Very reasonable price and looks good too.
BTW, I have a new never ridden Steel Bombtrack gravel bike frame with carbon fork available that will fit someone about 5'10" - 6'. PM me if you are interested. It is European Columbus steel and very beautiful! Never ridden...
BTW, I have a new never ridden Steel Bombtrack gravel bike frame with carbon fork available that will fit someone about 5'10" - 6'. PM me if you are interested. It is European Columbus steel and very beautiful! Never ridden...
PM me on that bombtrack, that's my height so I'm curious what you have.
The Black Mountain MCD frame, as mentioned, is an option. I really like the geometry and set up my old rim brake frame for commuting/touring. The geometry is very 'middle' in that nothing is super aggressive or super slack.
The frame is made with .8/.5/.8 heat treated tubing and the paint is really quality. Its wet paint with a clear coat powder.
50mm tires fit, thru axle, post mount brakes.
The MCD frames have a good bit of stack height to them, just a specific mention since you've said you like a more stretched out setup. The reach is a bit more than most frames I compared, for what its worth.
Then you have Surly.
And then you move on.
As mentioned, Soma is a great option and there are multiple forks to give you a more custom setup based on how you want to ride(low trail or mid trail, basically).
All City Spacehorse is a full steel frameset for a reasonable price and comes in 3 colors.
And I bring in something outta left field- Fairlight Faran. Not one that would be mentioned, just due to small size and being across the pond.
Reynolds 631 shaped main tubes with S bend stays. Room for 42mm tire. Post mount brakes. Geometry that is more road than slack. 3 different frame colors.
$770 for frame, fork, headset, and seat collar.
If you do go with a steel frame and carbon fork, there are obviously tons of option- many already mentioned.
And bombtrack seems to be a popular option to see mentioned...its columbus cromer tubing which is .9/.6/.9 butting. It's perfectly fine, but I mention this because generic tubing or 631 is thinner/lighter and strong.
The frame is made with .8/.5/.8 heat treated tubing and the paint is really quality. Its wet paint with a clear coat powder.
50mm tires fit, thru axle, post mount brakes.
The MCD frames have a good bit of stack height to them, just a specific mention since you've said you like a more stretched out setup. The reach is a bit more than most frames I compared, for what its worth.
Then you have Surly.
And then you move on.
As mentioned, Soma is a great option and there are multiple forks to give you a more custom setup based on how you want to ride(low trail or mid trail, basically).
All City Spacehorse is a full steel frameset for a reasonable price and comes in 3 colors.
And I bring in something outta left field- Fairlight Faran. Not one that would be mentioned, just due to small size and being across the pond.
Reynolds 631 shaped main tubes with S bend stays. Room for 42mm tire. Post mount brakes. Geometry that is more road than slack. 3 different frame colors.
$770 for frame, fork, headset, and seat collar.
If you do go with a steel frame and carbon fork, there are obviously tons of option- many already mentioned.
And bombtrack seems to be a popular option to see mentioned...its columbus cromer tubing which is .9/.6/.9 butting. It's perfectly fine, but I mention this because generic tubing or 631 is thinner/lighter and strong.
does it have to be a 700?
Midnight special
https://surlybikes.com/bikes/midnight_special
I mean if you want fat tires and lively. It's with this bike. Road geo but can do so much more.
Midnight special
https://surlybikes.com/bikes/midnight_special
I mean if you want fat tires and lively. It's with this bike. Road geo but can do so much more.
Yes, not a feather.
I often find this among the under $1000 steel framesets- they certainly arent light and in the case of the Faran, it's to meet whatever the certifications over there are.
The Jamis Renegade 631 frame in size 56 weighs 4.93#, so in line with a slightly smaller Faran weighing slightly less.
Meanwhile, the largest Black Mountain MCD frame weighs 2275g or 5 pounds with what I would guess is probably the thinnest butting and profile on this price range of frames.
Since you built up the fog cutter, what does that frame and fork weigh?
This stuff always interests me since it is so uncommon to list on websites.
I often find this among the under $1000 steel framesets- they certainly arent light and in the case of the Faran, it's to meet whatever the certifications over there are.
The Jamis Renegade 631 frame in size 56 weighs 4.93#, so in line with a slightly smaller Faran weighing slightly less.
Meanwhile, the largest Black Mountain MCD frame weighs 2275g or 5 pounds with what I would guess is probably the thinnest butting and profile on this price range of frames.
Since you built up the fog cutter, what does that frame and fork weigh?
This stuff always interests me since it is so uncommon to list on websites.
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Don't sleep on the Ribble CGR series. There's a steel version that gets good reviews, ticks your boxes, and is a solid value (subtract 17% VAT from the listed price but add shipping cost). I have a currency value alert set on the pound. If it drops low enough I'm gonna snatch one of these up.
So what's out there that is disc (preferably post mount), threaded BB, lively geo, full steel, and 38-40mm tire clearance at least? And not full custom prices.
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https://fairlightcycles.com/faran/fa...v=7516fd43adaa
Some general Faran info is here- https://fairlightcycles.com/faran/?v=7516fd43adaa
And concept/design notes(story behind the build) is here- https://fairlightcycles.com/faran-co...v=7516fd43adaa
With all this said, it looks like the Faran is out of stock right now. If you email the company, Dom(an owner and main designer) or someone will usually reply within a business day, if not the same day. They continually resupply the Secan and Strael(beautiful road frame) frames thru the year, so I would think they would have a date for the Faran too.
Curious- what do you like about your Windsor when compared to the Raleigh or Cannondale? You mentioned the Windsor is fun to ride and opened eyes. I'm guessing it has a lot more flex compared to your other bikes, based on the traditional tubing diameters.
Also, I've only been mentioning the Faran since it's a steel frame and fork. The Secan is a full carbon fork and about $1250 for the frame, fork, thru axles, headset, and seat collar.
Just clarifying since you mention the Secan in response to my post on the Faran(similar seeming names for sure).
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Word is the TA fittings and OS headtubes are behind the weight increase but I'm not sure that's all. I think butting profiles are being changed as well to account for disc brakes and collateral ISO testing. Either way most gravel bikes are now in a weird grey area where they a lot heavier than road bikes, not much less than mountain frames but without the capability. A divergence for another thread maybe, it's my personal windmill this season. Bike weights for off-road road bikes are too high!
One thing about the Black Mountain is that like many Somas, it isnt a 44mm head tube. That alone saves some weight and with a steel fork a huge head tube isnt needed. I haven't found a modern 1 1/8 steel steerer to flex too much at all.
I would be fascinated to listed to bike insiders explain the fatigue and safety testing that goes into frame certification. The amount of beefing up frames is significant.
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Page 75 in here. A friend of mine has the Strael, their more road-oriented offering. It's a fantastic bike.
The faran geometry info is here-
https://fairlightcycles.com/faran/fa...v=7516fd43adaa
Some general Faran info is here- https://fairlightcycles.com/faran/?v=7516fd43adaa
And concept/design notes(story behind the build) is here- https://fairlightcycles.com/faran-co...v=7516fd43adaa
With all this said, it looks like the Faran is out of stock right now. If you email the company, Dom(an owner and main designer) or someone will usually reply within a business day, if not the same day. They continually resupply the Secan and Strael(beautiful road frame) frames thru the year, so I would think they would have a date for the Faran too.
Curious- what do you like about your Windsor when compared to the Raleigh or Cannondale? You mentioned the Windsor is fun to ride and opened eyes. I'm guessing it has a lot more flex compared to your other bikes, based on the traditional tubing diameters.
Also, I've only been mentioning the Faran since it's a steel frame and fork. The Secan is a full carbon fork and about $1250 for the frame, fork, thru axles, headset, and seat collar.
Just clarifying since you mention the Secan in response to my post on the Faran(similar seeming names for sure).
https://fairlightcycles.com/faran/fa...v=7516fd43adaa
Some general Faran info is here- https://fairlightcycles.com/faran/?v=7516fd43adaa
And concept/design notes(story behind the build) is here- https://fairlightcycles.com/faran-co...v=7516fd43adaa
With all this said, it looks like the Faran is out of stock right now. If you email the company, Dom(an owner and main designer) or someone will usually reply within a business day, if not the same day. They continually resupply the Secan and Strael(beautiful road frame) frames thru the year, so I would think they would have a date for the Faran too.
Curious- what do you like about your Windsor when compared to the Raleigh or Cannondale? You mentioned the Windsor is fun to ride and opened eyes. I'm guessing it has a lot more flex compared to your other bikes, based on the traditional tubing diameters.
Also, I've only been mentioning the Faran since it's a steel frame and fork. The Secan is a full carbon fork and about $1250 for the frame, fork, thru axles, headset, and seat collar.
Just clarifying since you mention the Secan in response to my post on the Faran(similar seeming names for sure).
I think for the price of the Secan I'd just go with an All City since I can ride one here in town and support the lbs and be supported. To make this make sense the frame/fork has to be as cheap as possible.
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Space Horse is awesome and owners sing their praises, but the frameset alone comes only in cream (which isn't a bad thing...)
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It'd be neat if the others were available too though. Sorta like how the ZigZag isnt available in purple as a frame.