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Enough of these hostile attacks and accusations. How did humans develop flight except by watching and seeking to mimic birds? How did Europeans learn to grow potatoes except by mimicking the people they encountered who had already mastered that crop? It's ridiculous to get in an argument because someone mentions that gorillas, primates of similar size to humans, are able to live by eating local wild plants in the forest on a mountain. If doing so could prevent people from having to drive over a mountain all the time, it would help with LCF, the same as having a local community garden can help reduce the amount of produce you have to carry from the grocery store.
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I was trying to be nice and respectful and tried to stay on topic of winter transportation....until this idea came along that gorillas and apes should be teaching humans on how to live a sustainable car-free lifestyle...BTW gorillas are tropical creatures who swing on tree branches and use trees for transportation and they can't really teach you anything about car-free winter transportation.
By all means continue posting winter LCF plans, as per the OP. Sorry if the hill-crossing side-talk distracted you from focusing on the coming cold.
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It's a scientific fact that gorillas have a different digestive system from humans. They can eat twigs and tree branches and convert that to nutrients and energy inside their bodies... Humans can't do that because we are different. I challenge you or anybody to go eat 50 pounds of greens a day and see what will happen.
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No, it was a tangent that came from Machka's thing about the hill being a difficult obstacle for car-free commuting. That led me to empathize that I would also find it tedious to surmount such a large hill everyday under the time crunch of getting to work on time. At that point my mind went into the mode of wondering, "how would people/animals have dealt with such an obstacle before motor vehicles were available?" That's when I began thinking about mountain people cultivating potatoes to grow at high elevations and gorillas that gain massive muscle mass from eating 70lbs of greens per day.
By all means continue posting winter LCF plans, as per the OP. Sorry if the hill-crossing side-talk distracted you from focusing on the coming cold.
By all means continue posting winter LCF plans, as per the OP. Sorry if the hill-crossing side-talk distracted you from focusing on the coming cold.
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It's a scientific fact that gorillas have a different digestive system from humans. They can eat twigs and tree branches and convert that to nutrients and energy inside their bodies... Humans can't do that because we are different. I challenge you or anybody to go eat 50 pounds of greens a day and see what will happen.
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When the coastal route was established, there were no cars.
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In 1808 the first white settlers arrived in the district at what is now known as Brown’s River, named after botanist Mr Robert Brown.
By the 1830s the district was still sparsely populated by European settlers. There was no church, no school, no post office – in fact, no regular communication with Hobart Town.
In 1835, a farmer by the name of Proctor completed a road between Hobart Town and his property at Brown’s River. The Government, having refused to provide any financial assistance to Mr Proctor in the five year building project, declared the road a public thoroughfare – providing a much-needed link between Brown’s River and Hobart Town.
Governor Denison proclaimed the district a township on 27 January 1851. [named Kingston]
The municipality had a number of thriving townships outside Kingston. Snug had settlers as early as 1822 and Woodbridge, once known as Peppermint Bay, was settled in 1847. Taroona, one of the first settled districts in the area, is noted for historic landmark the Shot Tower, which was established as a flourishing industry in 1870.
And so on ... you can keep reading about the economic development of the area, etc. here:
https://www.kingborough.tas.gov.au/k...about/history/
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[I]Hobart was established in 1804 at the mouth of the Derwent River.
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And so on ... you can keep reading about the economic development of the area, etc. here:
https://www.kingborough.tas.gov.au/k...about/history/
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And so on ... you can keep reading about the economic development of the area, etc. here:
https://www.kingborough.tas.gov.au/k...about/history/
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Hobart was established in 1804 at the mouth of the Derwent River.
In 1808 the first white settlers arrived in the district at what is now known as Brown’s River, named after botanist Mr Robert Brown.
By the 1830s the district was still sparsely populated by European settlers. There was no church, no school, no post office – in fact, no regular communication with Hobart Town.
In 1835, a farmer by the name of Proctor completed a road between Hobart Town and his property at Brown’s River. The Government, having refused to provide any financial assistance to Mr Proctor in the five year building project, declared the road a public thoroughfare – providing a much-needed link between Brown’s River and Hobart Town.
Governor Denison proclaimed the district a township on 27 January 1851. [named Kingston]
The municipality had a number of thriving townships outside Kingston. Snug had settlers as early as 1822 and Woodbridge, once known as Peppermint Bay, was settled in 1847. Taroona, one of the first settled districts in the area, is noted for historic landmark the Shot Tower, which was established as a flourishing industry in 1870.
And so on ... you can keep reading about the economic development of the area, etc. here:
https://www.kingborough.tas.gov.au/k...about/history/
In 1808 the first white settlers arrived in the district at what is now known as Brown’s River, named after botanist Mr Robert Brown.
By the 1830s the district was still sparsely populated by European settlers. There was no church, no school, no post office – in fact, no regular communication with Hobart Town.
In 1835, a farmer by the name of Proctor completed a road between Hobart Town and his property at Brown’s River. The Government, having refused to provide any financial assistance to Mr Proctor in the five year building project, declared the road a public thoroughfare – providing a much-needed link between Brown’s River and Hobart Town.
Governor Denison proclaimed the district a township on 27 January 1851. [named Kingston]
The municipality had a number of thriving townships outside Kingston. Snug had settlers as early as 1822 and Woodbridge, once known as Peppermint Bay, was settled in 1847. Taroona, one of the first settled districts in the area, is noted for historic landmark the Shot Tower, which was established as a flourishing industry in 1870.
And so on ... you can keep reading about the economic development of the area, etc. here:
https://www.kingborough.tas.gov.au/k...about/history/
Is there a reason you want to continue discussing this besides getting the Winter Transportation Plan thread flushed to P&R?
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This is taken from the top of the big hill I mentioned. It's about 10 km to get there.
And the shoulder disappears about there for a while as well. A screaming descent with no shoulder ... for a while. After a bit, we can descend in the bus lane before we're dumped into the main street traffic of the city.
And the shoulder disappears about there for a while as well. A screaming descent with no shoulder ... for a while. After a bit, we can descend in the bus lane before we're dumped into the main street traffic of the city.
Just kidding - I know they drive on the left.
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I've posted a few times that I don't bike on ice and snow. However the public transit commute is so much slower than cycling that I dread the end of cycling season.
However I am transitioning to working two days (half days, actually) from home as a pre-retirement stage, so I will only have to commute 3 days a week.
However I am transitioning to working two days (half days, actually) from home as a pre-retirement stage, so I will only have to commute 3 days a week.
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I then realized the bike lane would be on the outside of the road (on the left) instead of the inside.
. . . when left is right and right is wrong
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Look, I'm not trying to get into the details of how specific localities developed. People make decisions based on what they think is best at the time. I just guessed that there were no settlements on the far side of the hill before motorized transportation, and if they were, they must have been relatively self-sufficient communities because I can't believe people were commuting over that hill daily without driving.
There were settlements and the connected with Hobart by boat.
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if this is so perhaps you can tell us why in the world people wouldn’t just live on one side of a hill or mountain and develop their own economy? I take it that would make LCF easier?
Maybe be you can explain how living like a mountain gorilla would make LCF in the winter more sustainable? Both subjects broached by the OP.
With that reasoning it would seem living like a Gorilla in Florida without mountains and eating leaves would be the most sustainable way to LCF in the winter.
Since the op opined on this idea is it not proper to get it addressed?
Maybe be you can explain how living like a mountain gorilla would make LCF in the winter more sustainable? Both subjects broached by the OP.
With that reasoning it would seem living like a Gorilla in Florida without mountains and eating leaves would be the most sustainable way to LCF in the winter.
Since the op opined on this idea is it not proper to get it addressed?
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That's the spirit!
To continue it: it is dry here today, and about 9C temperature. Therefore, I rode my bike to work, and shall ride home, because conditions suited me. I chose clothing suitable for the weather.
Tomorrow, I will likely use transit because conditions will not suit me for cycling.
I'm sure everyone will find this information fascinating.
To continue it: it is dry here today, and about 9C temperature. Therefore, I rode my bike to work, and shall ride home, because conditions suited me. I chose clothing suitable for the weather.
Tomorrow, I will likely use transit because conditions will not suit me for cycling.
I'm sure everyone will find this information fascinating.
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That's the spirit!
To continue it: it is dry here today, and about 9C temperature. Therefore, I rode my bike to work, and shall ride home, because conditions suited me. I chose clothing suitable for the weather.
Tomorrow, I will likely use transit because conditions will not suit me for cycling.
I'm sure everyone will find this information fascinating.
To continue it: it is dry here today, and about 9C temperature. Therefore, I rode my bike to work, and shall ride home, because conditions suited me. I chose clothing suitable for the weather.
Tomorrow, I will likely use transit because conditions will not suit me for cycling.
I'm sure everyone will find this information fascinating.