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Campagnolo record pista hub axle conversion 10mm to 8mm?

Old 07-26-18, 09:38 AM
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Campagnolo record pista hub axle conversion 10mm to 8mm?

I was building up a new NJS frame when I realised my Campagnolo pista hubs don't slot in the rear 8mm drop outs.
I'm wondering if it's possible to convert my rear Campagnolo pista track hub axel 10mm x 120mm to an 8mm x 110mm?

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Old 07-26-18, 12:29 PM
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I'd just take a file to the bottom dropouts.
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^Same
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Even so, the OP still needs to cold set the dropout spacing from 110mm to 120mm.
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Not easily. You'd have to source axle and cones ground for 1/4" balls to fit the 8mm axle.

While you could, as @SquidPuppet suggests above, file the dropouts to accept a 10mm axle, a better solution might be to file flats on the axle to fit the 8mm slot. That way you wouldn't be altering the NJS aspect of the frame.

N.B. while I'm not really familiar with the minutia of NJS certification requirements, I can say that the Shimano track dropouts I have here have a standard 10mm slot.



I can't think of a reason why NJS would want an 8mm rear axle. Even standard front axles are 9mm.

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Old 07-26-18, 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by TejanoTrackie
Even so, the OP still needs to cold set the dropout spacing from 110mm to 120mm.
I realised this too and was planning on cold setting the frame. cheers
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Don't do it - Cinelli & NJS don't go together brah
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Old 07-26-18, 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by IAmSam
Don't do it - Cinelli & NJS don't go together brah
You mean Campo? I'm hoping to find a solution I just bought some campo pista non fluted cranks too match haha

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Originally Posted by JohnDThompson
Not easily. You'd have to source axle and cones ground for 1/4" balls to fit the 8mm axle.

While you could, as @SquidPuppet suggests above, file the dropouts to accept a 10mm axle, a better solution might be to file flats on the axle to fit the 8mm slot. That way you wouldn't be altering the NJS aspect of the frame.

N.B. while I'm not really familiar with the minutia of NJS certification requirements, I can say that the Shimano track dropouts I have here have a standard 10mm slot.



I can't think of a reason why NJS would want an 8mm rear axle. Even standard front axles are 9mm.
Filing the hub axel might actually work. Have you ever heard of someone doing this?

I got the frame in such good condition. I really didn't want to start altering the frame what so ever.

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Originally Posted by darker
You mean Campo? I'm hoping to find a solution I just bought some campo pista non fluted cranks too match haha

Ooops - yeah, Campag. I must have Cinelli on the mind...
And now you bought more? You have a nice Makino frame - what's wrong with building it with NJS, or at least nice Jap, bits? Won't cost any more than Campy. Are you trying to be unusual? What's next - Miche wheels?
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there are njs stamped campy parts out there. i owned a terribly pitted bb at one point.
ive heard of ppl using the dura ace conversion kits on non shimano hubs before too. i wouldnt do it.
https://www.tracksupermarket.com/whe...rsion-kit.html
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Originally Posted by IAmSam

Ooops - yeah, Campag. I must have Cinelli on the mind...
And now you bought more? You have a nice Makino frame - what's wrong with building it with NJS, or at least nice Jap, bits? Won't cost any more than Campy. Are you trying to be unusual? What's next - Miche wheels?
Pretty much what motrheadsroadie said
I wasn't originally going to build with campo stuff but some parts popped up at the right time.
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Old 07-27-18, 11:11 AM
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Apparently it was the wrong time, considering you can't make any of it work.
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Old 08-04-18, 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by IAmSam

Ooops - yeah, Campag. I must have Cinelli on the mind...
And now you bought more? You have a nice Makino frame - what's wrong with building it with NJS, or at least nice Jap, bits? Won't cost any more than Campy. Are you trying to be unusual? What's next - Miche wheels?
Don't worry I have the NJS parts to build the frame up if needs be, I would prefer the sherif's as my hubs is all.
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Old 08-04-18, 08:00 AM
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Apparently it was the wrong time, considering you can't make any of it work.
Who said I can't make it work? I just want to know what my options are scrods.
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Originally Posted by darker
Filing the hub axel might actually work. Have you ever heard of someone doing this?
I filed the axle on my front hub because it's 10mm. It's easy to do, just try to keep the cuts parallel.
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