My 1986 Schwinn Passage
05-27-18, 08:10 PM
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Added a link to the original post of a flickr album I put together today.
It has some better pics of the bike as well as some closeups of my poor attempt at lug lining. Also in the album is the new to me front rack I picked up from @zammykoo, the rack is torqued a little towards the drive side but I have enough clearance to not worry about it and will get one of the guys at work to hang onto the bars/fork while I try to center it better when I get a chance.
I made a separate thread about the seatpost constantly slipping down and am still working that out but while going through the parts box I came across a binder bolt and am hoping that it does the trick, I'll find out tomorrow on my morning ride.
The one definite thing I know is that I need to get the stem up a little bit. Probably going to flip the current 17 degree stem and see how that feels before I spend more on another stem.
It has some better pics of the bike as well as some closeups of my poor attempt at lug lining. Also in the album is the new to me front rack I picked up from @zammykoo, the rack is torqued a little towards the drive side but I have enough clearance to not worry about it and will get one of the guys at work to hang onto the bars/fork while I try to center it better when I get a chance.
I made a separate thread about the seatpost constantly slipping down and am still working that out but while going through the parts box I came across a binder bolt and am hoping that it does the trick, I'll find out tomorrow on my morning ride.
The one definite thing I know is that I need to get the stem up a little bit. Probably going to flip the current 17 degree stem and see how that feels before I spend more on another stem.
05-28-18, 10:14 AM
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@Rotten, looks like a very nice build! Sorry about the rack, I didn't notice any misalignments while it was mounted on my bike. I hope it is not too much trouble to straighten out!
I can't seem to access the photo gallery via the link. Do you have another link to try?
I can't seem to access the photo gallery via the link. Do you have another link to try?
05-28-18, 10:52 AM
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05-28-18, 11:45 AM
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@Rotten, looks like a very nice build! Sorry about the rack, I didn't notice any misalignments while it was mounted on my bike. I hope it is not too much trouble to straighten out!
I can't seem to access the photo gallery via the link. Do you have another link to try?
I can't seem to access the photo gallery via the link. Do you have another link to try?
I couldn't get the flickr link to work so I linked up to an imgur album, less organized and there are some duplicate pics.
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Lovely Passage, great looking build. I bought an 86 Passage in 2016 that I built up in 2017 and really loved the ride. I ended up selling it last month but that just gave me an excuse to buy another mid 80s tourer to tinker with (1987 Nishiki Cresta GT) Enjoy your Passage.
05-28-18, 12:09 PM
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Well apparently I missed some comments, Excuse my jumbled responses.
Thank you very much. Up to a few hundred miles worth of riding on it so far and it is definitely a dream to ride.
Great to hear of someone running 38mm tires I assume since they actually measure 40mm that your running the axle as far back as possible. I've been seriously considering trying some 38mm's but couldn't find any examples so that is extremely helpful.
I sent it to gugie to fix the top tube cable guides and reset the brake post position and can't say enough good about gugies work. The original top tube cable guides are pretty fragile and if you do have work done I strongly recommend that you go ahead and get them replaced with sturdier barrel type.
Sorry it's taken so long to reply apparently my browser wasn't refreshing correctly. I still have the original bottom bracket (sadly the bearing surfaces are pitted). I'll dig it out, measure it and let you know ASAP.
Greetings fellow Texan and Passage rider.
Very nice job on your Passage!
I hope you enjoy many many great rides on it.
I had a 84 Voyageur for several years and really liked it even though it was a bit too tall
so it moved to a new owner.
From this forum I learned about the Passage model.
Now a 23" Passage has also joined my stable as well.
I am most impressed with the quality of ride and am enjoying it equal to my old Voyageur.
Mine is sporting Vittoria Voyager Hyper tires in a 700x38 that measure right at 40mm on Dyad rims.
Mine only has a few original parts left on it, the canti's and Sachs downtube shifters
plus the original cable hangers with the small wheel.
However, being an old fellow I prefer a more upright position and the original shifters are mounted on Paul thumbies on Soma Oxford bars. I think they look really great there.
Definitely a sleeper and quality touring bike imho.
I tried both the Tektro 720 and the nice TRP Euro-X canti's but neither would fit.
I understand why you sent yours to be modified.
I like this bike well enough perhaps I should consider such a modification.
It's definitely a keeper for me.
With a lot of fiddling I got the original Canti's to work pretty dang well.
I would think what one gives up and weight to the Voyageur on the fork is minimal.
Enjoy your Passage.
Very nice job on your Passage!
I hope you enjoy many many great rides on it.
I had a 84 Voyageur for several years and really liked it even though it was a bit too tall
so it moved to a new owner.
From this forum I learned about the Passage model.
Now a 23" Passage has also joined my stable as well.
I am most impressed with the quality of ride and am enjoying it equal to my old Voyageur.
Mine is sporting Vittoria Voyager Hyper tires in a 700x38 that measure right at 40mm on Dyad rims.
Mine only has a few original parts left on it, the canti's and Sachs downtube shifters
plus the original cable hangers with the small wheel.
However, being an old fellow I prefer a more upright position and the original shifters are mounted on Paul thumbies on Soma Oxford bars. I think they look really great there.
Definitely a sleeper and quality touring bike imho.
I tried both the Tektro 720 and the nice TRP Euro-X canti's but neither would fit.
I understand why you sent yours to be modified.
I like this bike well enough perhaps I should consider such a modification.
It's definitely a keeper for me.
With a lot of fiddling I got the original Canti's to work pretty dang well.
I would think what one gives up and weight to the Voyageur on the fork is minimal.
Enjoy your Passage.
Great to hear of someone running 38mm tires I assume since they actually measure 40mm that your running the axle as far back as possible. I've been seriously considering trying some 38mm's but couldn't find any examples so that is extremely helpful.
I sent it to gugie to fix the top tube cable guides and reset the brake post position and can't say enough good about gugies work. The original top tube cable guides are pretty fragile and if you do have work done I strongly recommend that you go ahead and get them replaced with sturdier barrel type.
Sorry it's taken so long to reply apparently my browser wasn't refreshing correctly. I still have the original bottom bracket (sadly the bearing surfaces are pitted). I'll dig it out, measure it and let you know ASAP.
05-28-18, 12:13 PM
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Thank you very much. Your posts about your bikes are always interesting and often inspirational.
Before the Passage the only steel I rode were versions of 4130 (which is fine steel) but you are absolutely right Tenax is the bomb. Wish I could find a 23" Tenax road bike to go with my Passage.
Before the Passage the only steel I rode were versions of 4130 (which is fine steel) but you are absolutely right Tenax is the bomb. Wish I could find a 23" Tenax road bike to go with my Passage.
05-28-18, 12:32 PM
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f it were me I would pick up one of the Shimano sealed UN26 or UN55 bottom brackets as close to the original spindle length as possible, I have replaced many caged bearing BB's with the sealed Shimano units and haven't had any issues.
Hope that helps.
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Thank you very much. Your posts about your bikes are always interesting and often inspirational.
Before the Passage the only steel I rode were versions of 4130 (which is fine steel) but you are absolutely right Tenax is the bomb. Wish I could find a 23" Tenax road bike to go with my Passage.
Before the Passage the only steel I rode were versions of 4130 (which is fine steel) but you are absolutely right Tenax is the bomb. Wish I could find a 23" Tenax road bike to go with my Passage.
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The original bottom bracket spindle from my bike is 125mm not including the threads for the crank arms so 125 is what you want to get close to. The spindle is marked "3 S", E 11", "B".
f it were me I would pick up one of the Shimano sealed UN26 or UN55 bottom brackets as close to the original spindle length as possible, I have replaced many caged bearing BB's with the sealed Shimano units and haven't had any issues.
Hope that helps.
f it were me I would pick up one of the Shimano sealed UN26 or UN55 bottom brackets as close to the original spindle length as possible, I have replaced many caged bearing BB's with the sealed Shimano units and haven't had any issues.
Hope that helps.
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05-29-18, 07:55 PM
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Absolutely no problem about the rack, there's enough clearance to ride it. And anyway I'd guess it's about 40 years old. I couldn't be happier and I'll get it straightened out no problem.
I couldn't get the flickr link to work so I linked up to an imgur album, less organized and there are some duplicate pics.
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Where did you have "the canti mounts widened and aligned to work better with 700 wheels, added lowrider rack mounts to the fork, and an alignment check and adjustment. Plus he had it powder coated for me." I've got a passage that is rusty and i'm sick and tired of 27 1/4 crappy old wheels and weighing my options to convert it to 700. Has anybody found a way to convert it to 700c without moving the brake bosses?
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Where did you have "the canti mounts widened and aligned to work better with 700 wheels, added lowrider rack mounts to the fork, and an alignment check and adjustment. Plus he had it powder coated for me." I've got a passage that is rusty and i'm sick and tired of 27 1/4 crappy old wheels and weighing my options to convert it to 700. Has anybody found a way to convert it to 700c without moving the brake bosses?
Thanks,
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New canti brakes don’t have the adjustability that the old ones did- back when there was no real standard for canti placement.
People have had good luck with Shimano M732, BR MC-70, MT-60 and MT-62. I’ve personally used the MT-62s and Suntour XC Pros. I don’t recall I’d he stock DC 981s have enough adjustability.
There’s many discussions here about 27 to 700c canti brake conversions- read a few of those.
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According to the 1986 catalog the Voyageur had the Dia Compe 981 canti's and the Passage had Dia Compe 960's.
I'm running 700c on my 86 Passage with the original 960's with no problem.
With new pads it actually stops very well for me.
I'm running 700c on my 86 Passage with the original 960's with no problem.
With new pads it actually stops very well for me.
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I have a long story on my passage purchase.
I will try to be brief. I have been looking for a vintage touring bike. I found a Schwinn Voyageur about 50 miles away and bought it. I really didn't test drive and it had updated components, wheels, bar e d shifters etc. Paid 250 and was happy. When I got home I test road it and found out had serious toe overlap??? How can that be on a touring bike??
it was the champion tubed one , not Columbus.
So now I dont like it so put it up for sale. I stumble across a Schwinn Passage on market place and go look at it >>>> no toe over lap , but old components, but frame is actually very good, minimal use it looks like. I purchase that , come home and realize everything should swap over to the passage , so now I can have a vintage touring bike and pick out racks etc. ,, yeah yay, I'm a happy guy again 🙂😎
ps , another strange thing is the the newer 700c wheels with wide tires fit and brakes line up perfectly 👍
I will try to be brief. I have been looking for a vintage touring bike. I found a Schwinn Voyageur about 50 miles away and bought it. I really didn't test drive and it had updated components, wheels, bar e d shifters etc. Paid 250 and was happy. When I got home I test road it and found out had serious toe overlap??? How can that be on a touring bike??
it was the champion tubed one , not Columbus.
So now I dont like it so put it up for sale. I stumble across a Schwinn Passage on market place and go look at it >>>> no toe over lap , but old components, but frame is actually very good, minimal use it looks like. I purchase that , come home and realize everything should swap over to the passage , so now I can have a vintage touring bike and pick out racks etc. ,, yeah yay, I'm a happy guy again 🙂😎
ps , another strange thing is the the newer 700c wheels with wide tires fit and brakes line up perfectly 👍
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So haven't been on bf in a little while. It's been to cold to ride and between work and my other hobbies that tend to kick in when I can't ride I just haven't been here much.
Anyway during the down time I slowly got my 1986 Schwinn Passage built up.
A couple of thank yous are in order. first to @abshipp for the deal on the bike, he took the time to answer all my questions and shot a ton of pictures and a video to help me finally decide. He's a credit to the forum. Secondly to @gugie, what can I really say, if you've dealt with gugie then you know how great he is to deal with. Gugies patience with me and all my emails was truly commendable, when necessary he took the time to both explain and enlighten courteously. Personally I believe he is one of if not the greatest asset to the C&V forums here.
And I have to say a huge thank you to my girlfriend also who as a birthday present to me paid for the shipping and work that I had gugie do. Love you.
Since I can't get the nice album I made on flickr to work here's an imgur album link - https://imgur.com/a/lfzGv
So without further delay here's the pic.
I have to say that the ride is very smooth over all but the roughest of roads. The combination of the geometry and the Columbus Tenax frame give this bike a ride quality that is outstanding. Especially for a clydesdale like me.
I had intended to leave the bike relatively stock but quickly realized that downtube shifters were not for me. The brakes needed new pads and when I got it up on the stand to work on the brakes the narrowness of the cantilever mounts made adjustments difficult and make swapping to 700 wheels a chore to say the least. While it was on the stand I pulled the old cables and housing and found that one of the top tube guides was severely bent. My attempts to straighten the guide resulted in one side of it breaking loose. This is the point where gugie came to mind. I wasnt about to try my hand at a repair and after thinking about it decided that the canti mounts had to be moved as well.
So I sent the frame and fork off and had gugie replace the top tube guides with sturdier barrel type, had the canti mounts widened and aligned to work better with 700 wheels, added lowrider rack mounts to the fork, and an alignment check and adjustment. Plus he had it powder coated for me.
When I got it back it sat for a couple of months while I thought about the build. The final direction was dictated by both convenience index shifting and the winds where I ride. In the Texas panhandle riding into a headwind can be extremely brutal and I wanted low enough gearing to allow me to not have to walk the bike and index shifting via brifters to allow me to keep both hands on the bars at all times.
A brief rundown on the build.
Sora 3x9 brifters
Tiagra fd
Nashbar/Microshift rd - great rd by the way
Deore 48/36/26 crankset - really wish it was a 48/38/28
Shimano 11-34 9 spd cassette
Deore LX brakes
Kool Stop Cross pads
Jagwire gold braided housing
VO quill and stem
Nitto noodle bars
VO headset
Vuelta HD 700 wheelset
Brooks B17 - wish it was blue
Lizard Skin bar tape
And the original Blackburn rear rack
not pictured are a set of vintage Cannondale blue rear panniers
Future plans
gold lug lining to match the cables
Dark blue B17
front rack - probably Soma Lucas Mini 2
switch out the Sora shifters for Microshift 3x9 - I prefer the way the Microshift paddles over the thumb lever Sora upshifts
bulid a touring 9 speed cassette 13/15/17/19/21/23/26/30/34
front panniers to match the blue cannondale rear ones
and a gugieficazion (or however that's spelled) sticker if I ever find who posted those a while back
I have to say that since I finished the build and have been riding the Passage I have lost all desire for another bike. I have my Karate Monkey for offroad and fun rides with the kids and this one for commuting and extended solo rides. Plus I have my World Sport as a back up to the Passage. But if you're in or near the Texas panhandle and are interested in a really good 3x7 World Sport build we can talk.
Anyway during the down time I slowly got my 1986 Schwinn Passage built up.
A couple of thank yous are in order. first to @abshipp for the deal on the bike, he took the time to answer all my questions and shot a ton of pictures and a video to help me finally decide. He's a credit to the forum. Secondly to @gugie, what can I really say, if you've dealt with gugie then you know how great he is to deal with. Gugies patience with me and all my emails was truly commendable, when necessary he took the time to both explain and enlighten courteously. Personally I believe he is one of if not the greatest asset to the C&V forums here.
And I have to say a huge thank you to my girlfriend also who as a birthday present to me paid for the shipping and work that I had gugie do. Love you.
Since I can't get the nice album I made on flickr to work here's an imgur album link - https://imgur.com/a/lfzGv
So without further delay here's the pic.
I have to say that the ride is very smooth over all but the roughest of roads. The combination of the geometry and the Columbus Tenax frame give this bike a ride quality that is outstanding. Especially for a clydesdale like me.
I had intended to leave the bike relatively stock but quickly realized that downtube shifters were not for me. The brakes needed new pads and when I got it up on the stand to work on the brakes the narrowness of the cantilever mounts made adjustments difficult and make swapping to 700 wheels a chore to say the least. While it was on the stand I pulled the old cables and housing and found that one of the top tube guides was severely bent. My attempts to straighten the guide resulted in one side of it breaking loose. This is the point where gugie came to mind. I wasnt about to try my hand at a repair and after thinking about it decided that the canti mounts had to be moved as well.
So I sent the frame and fork off and had gugie replace the top tube guides with sturdier barrel type, had the canti mounts widened and aligned to work better with 700 wheels, added lowrider rack mounts to the fork, and an alignment check and adjustment. Plus he had it powder coated for me.
When I got it back it sat for a couple of months while I thought about the build. The final direction was dictated by both convenience index shifting and the winds where I ride. In the Texas panhandle riding into a headwind can be extremely brutal and I wanted low enough gearing to allow me to not have to walk the bike and index shifting via brifters to allow me to keep both hands on the bars at all times.
A brief rundown on the build.
Sora 3x9 brifters
Tiagra fd
Nashbar/Microshift rd - great rd by the way
Deore 48/36/26 crankset - really wish it was a 48/38/28
Shimano 11-34 9 spd cassette
Deore LX brakes
Kool Stop Cross pads
Jagwire gold braided housing
VO quill and stem
Nitto noodle bars
VO headset
Vuelta HD 700 wheelset
Brooks B17 - wish it was blue
Lizard Skin bar tape
And the original Blackburn rear rack
not pictured are a set of vintage Cannondale blue rear panniers
Future plans
gold lug lining to match the cables
Dark blue B17
front rack - probably Soma Lucas Mini 2
switch out the Sora shifters for Microshift 3x9 - I prefer the way the Microshift paddles over the thumb lever Sora upshifts
bulid a touring 9 speed cassette 13/15/17/19/21/23/26/30/34
front panniers to match the blue cannondale rear ones
and a gugieficazion (or however that's spelled) sticker if I ever find who posted those a while back
I have to say that since I finished the build and have been riding the Passage I have lost all desire for another bike. I have my Karate Monkey for offroad and fun rides with the kids and this one for commuting and extended solo rides. Plus I have my World Sport as a back up to the Passage. But if you're in or near the Texas panhandle and are interested in a really good 3x7 World Sport build we can talk.
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That's the first gray Passage I've seen.
It looks to be in great shape!
I'm still enjoying mine after a bit over 2 years.
I think the only original parts left are the Canti's with new pads and the original DT shifters now mounted up top on Paul Thumbie mounts.
It still puts a smile on my face every ride.
It looks to be in great shape!
I'm still enjoying mine after a bit over 2 years.
I think the only original parts left are the Canti's with new pads and the original DT shifters now mounted up top on Paul Thumbie mounts.
It still puts a smile on my face every ride.
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