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11-27-23, 02:23 PM
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Basically, in inaccurate and vernacular American English, "alloy" is a synonym for "aluminum".
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I don't know the names of Aluminum and Titanium Alloys used in bicycle frames. I do know a few in older steel frames and enjoy pleasant conversations with others that do. All in all Steel Remains Real.
There are many but these few come to mind.
853
531
Dedecciai
Columbus
CroMo
There are many but these few come to mind.
853
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Columbus
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11-27-23, 03:48 PM
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Why do cyclists ride bikes, but bikers ride motorcycles?
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Instead of assuming everyone will know that when you say "alloy" you mean "aluminum alloy", it's helful to always describe this material using both words. All steel is an alloy. Although when it includes more than just carbon "steel alloy", implies higher properties than carbon steel.
By tradition, small amounts of metal additives are also not called "alloy steel", while the term is reserved for higher concentrations of other metals
I would not be surprised if pure aluminum had a bad rep at one point, and emphasizing the fact that it is an alloy was key to getting cyclists to accept rims and components made of it. 6061 was originally known as "Alloy 61S" in 1935.
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11-27-23, 04:51 PM
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FYI, not per Merriam-Webster.
(emphasis mine)
Nor Cambridge. Or Brittanica. Or any other reference that I can find.
Originally Posted by https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/alloy
1 : the degree of mixture with base metals : fineness
2 : a substance composed of two or more metals or of a metal and a nonmetal intimately united usually by being fused together and dissolving in each other when molten
also : the state of union of the components
3a : an admixture that lessens value
b : an impairing alien element
4 : a compound, mixture, or union of different things
an ethnic alloy of many peoples
5 archaic : a metal mixed with a more valuable metal to give durability or some other desired quality
2 : a substance composed of two or more metals or of a metal and a nonmetal intimately united usually by being fused together and dissolving in each other when molten
also : the state of union of the components
3a : an admixture that lessens value
b : an impairing alien element
4 : a compound, mixture, or union of different things
an ethnic alloy of many peoples
5 archaic : a metal mixed with a more valuable metal to give durability or some other desired quality
Nor Cambridge. Or Brittanica. Or any other reference that I can find.
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Some people get torqued up when definitions and grammar ain't used correctly, even when it's understood what they're talking about.
The classic example is the term brass brazing. Is it bronze? Is it brass? I use Gasflux C-04 Nickel bronze when I'm not using Harris 56 or 50N silver alloy. I'm fine saying it's either brass or silver, I'm pretty sure no one gets confused.
Now, let's argue about clipless pedals. Don't you clip into them?
The classic example is the term brass brazing. Is it bronze? Is it brass? I use Gasflux C-04 Nickel bronze when I'm not using Harris 56 or 50N silver alloy. I'm fine saying it's either brass or silver, I'm pretty sure no one gets confused.
Now, let's argue about clipless pedals. Don't you clip into them?
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11-27-23, 06:57 PM
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The real question is why don’t we call them solutions? That’s what they are…homogeneous solid mixtures which is the definition of a solution.
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FYI, not per Merriam-Webster.
(emphasis mine)
Nor Cambridge. Or Brittanica. Or any other reference that I can find.
(emphasis mine)
Nor Cambridge. Or Brittanica. Or any other reference that I can find.
11-27-23, 07:06 PM
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Or singular. “None” is photon or electron of language. It can be singular…”there is none available”…or plural…”none of the tests were positive”. It’s what you need it to be when you need it to be that thing. A photon is a particle when it needs to be and a wave when it doesn’t. Depends on the context.
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11-27-23, 07:42 PM
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...if we called these components "aluminum", there would be huge controversy over whether to use the American version, or the UK's "aluminium". There's already the controversy over "tires" versus "tyres". Why can't everyone just get along ?
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11-27-23, 07:46 PM
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Sure, if you can get water not to boil off when mixed with molten iron, or if you can fuse water and iron together, then in either case, you've got an alloy. Good luck with that.
That said, you are arguing the wrong person. Take your complaint up with all of the people who publish those dictionaries, which, with a few others, are cumulatively the authority on the English language -- not with me.
That said, you are arguing the wrong person. Take your complaint up with all of the people who publish those dictionaries, which, with a few others, are cumulatively the authority on the English language -- not with me.
11-27-23, 09:35 PM
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I need to remember this wisdom the next time we discuss (or not discuss) my bicycles (with my wife). 😉
I need to remember this wisdom the next time we discuss (or not discuss) my bicycles (with my wife). 😉
11-27-23, 11:53 PM
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Sure, if you can get water not to boil off when mixed with molten iron, or if you can fuse water and iron together, then in either case, you've got an alloy. Good luck with that.
That said, you are arguing the wrong person. Take your complaint up with all of the people who publish those dictionaries, which, with a few others, are cumulatively the authority on the English language -- not with me.
That said, you are arguing the wrong person. Take your complaint up with all of the people who publish those dictionaries, which, with a few others, are cumulatively the authority on the English language -- not with me.
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11-28-23, 12:27 AM
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somebody wake me up when we get to hypereutectoid microconstituents
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My clipless pedals and shoes have cleats, and are, therefore, clipless.
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It goes back further. Who was the person who called the metal bands on pedals “clips”? They are foot cages. Synonyms for “clip” are things like fastener, clasp, catch, pin, buckle, lock, etc. A “cage” has synonyms like enclosure, pen, and confine which is what a “toe clip” does even without the straps.
None of the words for clip actually fit the description of the “toe clip”. They fit the description for the mechanism for clipless pedals perfectly.
None of the words for clip actually fit the description of the “toe clip”. They fit the description for the mechanism for clipless pedals perfectly.
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As pointed out by cyccommute, the term "clips" is bad, from the start. The downstream effect of that poor bit of terminology continues to haunt us.
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When talking about being connected to clipless pedals, people generally use the term "clipped in". How can you be clipped in to something with no clips?
As pointed out by cyccommute, the term "clips" is bad, from the start. The downstream effect of that poor bit of terminology continues to haunt us.
As pointed out by cyccommute, the term "clips" is bad, from the start. The downstream effect of that poor bit of terminology continues to haunt us.
Supposedly made by Shimano for the 7400 pedals, but I’ve never seen them…