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Old 04-01-15, 08:36 AM
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Being the leader discussion I have a question. Looking at Leader frames for a possible build and whats the difference between the 721 and Cretin
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Being the leader discussion I have a question. Looking at Leader frames for a possible build and whats the difference between the 721 and Cretin
Totally different tubing, but very similar geometry. The Cretin tubing is much rounder and less aero than the 721. I have both frames, and they have very similar handling and ride qualities. The 721 may be a bit lighter than the Cretin.
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Old 04-01-15, 10:33 AM
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Somebody did ask with interest in the "Ask Scrod" thread about my experience with getting my 725 warrantied. It was smooth; I got it switched out for a 721 and I am digging it thus far.
Did they reimburse you for the difference in price in some shape or form? Usually, companies would give you a model up if there's no existing replacements, not down.
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Did they reimburse you for the difference in price in some shape or form? Usually, companies would give you a model up if there's no existing replacements, not down.
They did not. Probably should have. But, I bought the 725 as part of a black friday sale that included a bunch of components (some completely fine, some (the saddle) unusable). It is possible that I've still come out a little bit behind, but, getting a usable frame at a minimum of fuss became a priority. I can't lie: Overall the experience was frustrating ( had to initially settle for a blemished 725 as the color I ordered was out of stock, cranks backordered, 725 cracked-took a bit of convincing them that sending a duplicate would just end up in a duplicate problem, etc). But, I do genuinely like the frame I ended up with. It was less of a problem for me, because this year's Boston winter necessitated the use of a beater, but, if I lived in a better climate and was relying on the Leader year-round, I'd have been much more annoyed.

Should also add, that switching out the frame was my idea for a workaround, so, its not like they were trying to pull anything.

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Old 04-01-15, 11:08 AM
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Double trouble!
Hmm. I don't think I'd wanna be the rear rider(hahaha). Could get smelly in those drops......
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Old 04-01-15, 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Leukybear View Post
Did they reimburse you for the difference in price in some shape or form? Usually, companies would give you a model up if there's no existing replacements, not down.
The 721 is a better frame for reasons I've already mentioned so I'd say he got an upgrade.
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Old 04-01-15, 06:05 PM
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Yeah, I'm fine leaving a few theoretical bucks on the table if it means I'm out riding my bike instead of emailing about it.
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Old 04-01-15, 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by AlexGS1 View Post
They did not. Probably should have. But, I bought the 725 as part of a black friday sale that included a bunch of components (some completely fine, some (the saddle) unusable). It is possible that I've still come out a little bit behind, but, getting a usable frame at a minimum of fuss became a priority. I can't lie: Overall the experience was frustrating ( had to initially settle for a blemished 725 as the color I ordered was out of stock, cranks backordered, 725 cracked-took a bit of convincing them that sending a duplicate would just end up in a duplicate problem, etc). But, I do genuinely like the frame I ended up with. It was less of a problem for me, because this year's Boston winter necessitated the use of a beater, but, if I lived in a better climate and was relying on the Leader year-round, I'd have been much more annoyed.

Should also add, that switching out the frame was my idea for a workaround, so, its not like they were trying to pull anything.
I see where you're coming from. As expected, any company will always try to defend their product and attempt to sweep all short comings under the rug by simply denying it.
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Old 04-12-15, 05:13 PM
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That should do it. Easy does it.
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Old 04-19-15, 09:15 PM
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New 2015 models from the email I got from yours truly after unwittingly being subscribed to Leader's mailing list after buying something from coghouse:

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Solid meh. Looks nice, but nothing special. Straight forks with integrated headsets are cool tho
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That silver Kagero looks hawt
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Whats with the indents on the chainstay?
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Old 04-20-15, 08:43 AM
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Whats with the indents on the chainstay?
Crankarm and chainring clearance.
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Old 04-20-15, 09:05 AM
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Crankarm and chainring clearance.
Yeah, I kind of did a "duh" after I posted it...still, I'm going to go ahead and say I'm not a fan - think it would look better without the indents.
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Old 04-21-15, 10:59 PM
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Is it worth it to buy the new 2015 722 heritage for $50 more than a 2012 722 heritage? What are the differences? Also would it have barspin clearance with a leader reaper v3 fork? Thanks. I am having trouble figuring it out, as there isn't much information online.
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Old 04-21-15, 11:20 PM
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Barspin. Now that's a word I haven't heard in a long time.
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Old 04-22-15, 07:31 AM
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Plz help!!!!
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Old 04-22-15, 07:50 AM
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noone cares about barspinzzzzz on this forum, look in fgfs

or better yet, try emailing leader

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Okay forget I asked about that. How about the differences between the 2012 722 heritage and the 2015 722 heritage, and is it worth an extra $50 to get the newer one. Thanks.
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Made some small but significant changes to the Leaders, to wit:

1) Replaced silver master link on Cretin with orange outer link.

2) plugged threaded holes in Cretin dropouts with stainless steel button head hex screws.

3) Added BFSSFG flying squirrel stickers to seat tubes on Cretin and 721

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Old 04-22-15, 08:26 AM
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Okay forget I asked about that. How about the differences between the 2012 722 heritage and the 2015 722 heritage, and is it worth an extra $50 to get the newer one. Thanks.
Pretty sure the 2012 version had a rear triangle that was too long and wouldn't allow the rear wheel to be slammed into the seat tube cutout. Other than that, they're the same.
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Old 04-22-15, 08:39 AM
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Thanks. I'll go with the newer one then.
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Old 05-02-15, 10:47 AM
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Recent discussion made me walk downstairs to examine my new 725. Sure enough it's cracked. I'll be contacting leader today and will update with how the process goes.
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