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Old 10-12-19, 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Kapusta View Post
KMC makes some very good chains. You don’t know WTF you are talking about on that one.
I get ACA’s magazine. Each issue has a bike review. Many (if not most) of the bikes are equipped with KMC chains. All things considered, I think the OP is yanking our chains. Time to bounce from this thread.
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Old 10-14-19, 09:17 AM
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Guys (and LiveDark), my bike was recently restored due to rust on the chain and wheels that were stolen... When I got the wheel replacement I got the one that came with the 7 spd cassette... the cassette is severely worn out, the teeth are bent/twisted, but the chain (Shimano HG71) I put on there is brand new so they are not mated together well.. And I do experience popping out of gear once in a while... I lubed a lot so the noise is reduced to minimal. I was hoping to get both the new cassette and 11 speed Campy chain... or stick with my Shimano HG71 chain and just replace the cassette? That would be an boring upgrade.

Homebrew01, I like the crankset in your profile pic... Is that an old era Campy Record?

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You paid $100, 27 years ago, which, adjusted for inflation, is $183.01...

Massive rip-off.
It was a jewelry-like. Looks better than any other new chains I see on the market. That chain was definitely narrow... narrower than my Shimano HG71 chain.

So you've went from wanting a new chain, and possibly a cassette, to considering spending over $2k on upgrades for a $200 bike?
According to your logic (your inflation calculation) my bike is $1,830... ($1000 x 1.83 inflation rate)


I don't know.. I am still thinking. I may get a Shimano HG41 7 speed cassette but the teeth spec is off.. it's 11-28 teeth. My current one is 13-23 teeth. I want 11-23 or 12-24 teeth. 28 teeth makes the cassette look kind of ugly.
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What part of “an 11-speed chain is too pointless to be an upgrade” isn’t sinking in?

Shimano doesn’t make 7-speed cassettes with “road” gearing anymore. If you want a 13-23, search eBay for old stock and be prepared to pay a little more than HG41 prices. I stocked up when they were still cheap.

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Old 10-14-19, 02:28 PM
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You guys, the OP ordered a chain online (for a price that defies belief) in 1992.
You know, the first year there was an internet.
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Originally Posted by Cheez View Post
Guys (and LiveDark), my bike was recently restored due to rust on the chain and wheels that were stolen... When I got the wheel replacement I got the one that came with the 7 spd cassette... the cassette is severely worn out, the teeth are bent/twisted, but the chain (Shimano HG71) I put on there is brand new so they are not mated together well.. And I do experience popping out of gear once in a while... I lubed a lot so the noise is reduced to minimal. I was hoping to get both the new cassette and 11 speed Campy chain... or stick with my Shimano HG71 chain and just replace the cassette? That would be an boring upgrade.

Homebrew01, I like the crankset in your profile pic... Is that an old era Campy Record?


It was a jewelry-like. Looks better than any other new chains I see on the market. That chain was definitely narrow... narrower than my Shimano HG71 chain.


According to your logic (your inflation calculation) my bike is $1,830... ($1000 x 1.83 inflation rate)


I don't know.. I am still thinking. I may get a Shimano HG41 7 speed cassette but the teeth spec is off.. it's 11-28 teeth. My current one is 13-23 teeth. I want 11-23 or 12-24 teeth. 28 teeth makes the cassette look kind of ugly.

Sorry, I can't relate to this at all. You seem more concerned with the aesthetics of chain and cassette than their actual function. Get a new cassette on there, and then fine tune if it doesn't work to your satisfaction. It's a drive train, not a fashion statement. "Wow, beautiful bike chain!" said no one, ever.I

Oh, and that's not how the inflation calculator works. Bikes depreciate in value over time, as did your Rohloff chain.

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Old 10-14-19, 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post
Sorry, I can't relate to this at all. You seem more concerned with the aesthetics of chain and cassette than their actual function. Get a new cassette on there, and then fine tune if it doesn't work to your satisfaction. It's a drive train, not a fashion statement. "Wow, beautiful bike chain!" said no one, ever.I
Oh, and that's not how the inflation calculator works. Bikes depreciate in value over time, as did your Rohloff chain.
I've been known to compliment the cleanliness of people's chains.
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Originally Posted by theDirtyLemon View Post
You guys, the OP ordered a chain online (for a price that defies belief) in 1992.
You know, the first year there was an internet.
Mosaic debuted in 93.
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Originally Posted by Cheez View Post
Guys (and LiveDark), my bike was recently restored due to rust on the chain and wheels that were stolen... When I got the wheel replacement I got the one that came with the 7 spd cassette... the cassette is severely worn out, the teeth are bent/twisted, but the chain (Shimano HG71) I put on there is brand new so they are not mated together well...
Your teeth are likely "bent & twisted" because it's likely a uniglide cassette with twisted tooth design to assist in shifts. google "uniglide cassette"

It was a jewelry-like. Looks better than any other new chains I see on the market. That chain was definitely narrow... narrower than my Shimano HG71 chain. Here buy another one for less than the $100 - 27 years later
https://www.ebay.com/c/1520942936

I don't know.. I am still thinking. I may get a Shimano HG41 7 speed cassette but the teeth spec is off.. it's 11-28 teeth. My current one is 13-23 teeth. I want 11-23 or 12-24 teeth. 28 teeth makes the cassette look kind of ugly. You need to determine if you have a uniglide or hyperglide freehub and what the differences are. Even a pretty HG (Hyperglide) cassette won't fit on a uniglide (UG) freehub.
See above.
You already have $500 into a $250 bike. Until you understand speeds, hyperglide, uniglide, chains, etc you are just spinning you wheels

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Originally Posted by jon c. View Post
Mosaic debuted in 93.
I assume he got the chain via FTP.
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Old 10-14-19, 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by theDirtyLemon View Post
I assume he got the chain via FTP.
Gopher.

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Originally Posted by jad3675 View Post
gopher.

John
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Originally Posted by Nachoman View Post
I've been known to compliment the cleanliness of people's chains.
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Different issue--you're complimenting the maintenance. Are 7 speed chains intrinsically dirtier than 11 speed? Did you compliment the "thinness?"
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Originally Posted by theDirtyLemon View Post
I assume he got the chain via FTP.
I downloaded the chain from Napster once.

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Originally Posted by dedhed View Post
See above.
You already have $500 into a $250 bike. Until you understand speeds, hyperglide, uniglide, chains, etc you are just spinning you wheels

https://www.bikeforums.net/general-c...th-fixing.html

I just went to that thread and looked at the picture of his bike--the chain looks immaculate and fine for the bike. He needs to spend a few bucks on a new cassette and the thing should ride beautifully.

This is one of the weirdest threads ever--he can't have money to burn on a chain that will probably work like crap just for esthetic reasons.
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Originally Posted by Ross520 View Post
An 11 speed chain will have narrower links than a 7 speed chain, ...
That actually isn't true. The side plates are thinner but gap between is actually the same - from memory 3/32". That doesn't mean it would work well, of course, as others have commented. I'd certainly opt for a good 7-speed chain.
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Guys (and LiveDark), my bike was recently restored due to rust on the chain and wheels that were stolen... When I got the wheel replacement I got the one that came with the 7 spd cassette... the cassette is severely worn out, the teeth are bent/twisted, but the chain (Shimano HG71) I put on there is brand new so they are not mated together well.. And I do experience popping out of gear once in a while...I lubed a lot so the noise is reduced to minimal. I was hoping to get both the new cassette and 11 speed Campy chain... or stick with my Shimano HG71 chain and just replace the cassette? That would be an boring upgrade.

Homebrew01, I like the crankset in your profile pic... Is that an old era Campy Record?

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I don't know.. I am still thinking. I may get a Shimano HG41 7 speed cassette but the teeth spec is off.. it's 11-28 teeth. My current one is 13-23 teeth. I want 11-23 or 12-24 teeth. 28 teeth makes the cassette look kind of ugly.
The teeth are intentionally twisted to improve shifting.
Yes, stick with a 7 speed chain.
Get the range of gearing you need, not based on looks.

Yes, my crankset is an older Campagnolo model (Chorus?)
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Originally Posted by Cheez View Post
I have a Trek 1400 road bike and has a 7 speed cassette.
Does your bike have "Indexed" shifting, where the shifter "Clicks" for each gear ?
Or is it "Friction" shifting, where you have to find each gear by "feel" ?
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Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post
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Different issue--you're complimenting the maintenance. Are 7 speed chains intrinsically dirtier than 11 speed? Did you compliment the "thinness?"
That's not true cause you can do good maintenance but the chain (and other components) would still look dirty. I used to go on bike rides with groups in bicycle clubs.. one of the meets is from the rich town and these guys had high end bikes and they complimented me for the such beautiful chain and asked me if my chain was waxed I said yes. You see these people know stuff.

I just checked the item description detail on the Rohloff chain provided by a member dedhed here. Read this quote - "Leave the factory lube on this when you install it." I told you this chain doesn't need a lot of lubing. My chain had factory lube, then I waxed and polished. That thing was amazingly smooth and quiet.
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Originally Posted by dedhed View Post
See above.
You already have $500 into a $250 bike. Until you understand speeds, hyperglide, uniglide, chains, etc you are just spinning you wheels

https://www.bikeforums.net/general-c...th-fixing.html
Thank you for the link to the Rohloff chain on ebay. Looks like you found the one I had I think. That chain price dropped by $10 since 1992 lol... talk anout holding its value. You see high end stuff like chains and cassettes and such can actually increase value over time. Same way the classic super cars increse in value many years later...

I'm not quite ready to spend $100 on as chain though...my pocket is limited as I'm homeless. I would still like to have it some day... and I can't buy from ebay cause they don't ship to local places for pickup like the Amazon does.. I can only order stuff that Amazon delivers to its pickup hub locations. If you guys live in Indianapolis area I might have to ask you guys a favor to have stuff shipped over to you so I can pick them up in the future.

And yes my current cassette is hyperglide. That's what says on the side of the gears on the cassette so it's not uniglide.

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The teeth are intentionally twisted to improve shifting.
Yes, stick with a 7 speed chain.
Get the range of gearing you need, not based on looks.

Yes, my crankset is an older Campagnolo model (Chorus?)
I know what you are saying but I think the teeth are bent/twisted excessively...compared to other cassettes. Mine is worn more in the center gears.

Your crankset looks beautiful. Mine is Campy Athena crankset and Chorus seat post.
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Does your bike have "Indexed" shifting, where the shifter "Clicks" for each gear ?
Or is it "Friction" shifting, where you have to find each gear by "feel" ?
Yeah it's index shifting. Rear derailleur is indexed and the front derailleur is manual so I have control over that gear.
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That's not true cause you can do good maintenance but the chain (and other components) would still look dirty. I used to go on bike rides with groups in bicycle clubs.. one of the meets is from the rich town and these guys had high end bikes and they complimented me for the such beautiful chain and asked me if my chain was waxed I said yes. You see these people know stuff.

I just checked the item description detail on the Rohloff chain provided by a member dedhed here. Read this quote - "Leave the factory lube on this when you install it." I told you this chain doesn't need a lot of lubing. My chain had factory lube, then I waxed and polished. That thing was amazingly smooth and quiet.
And then it rusted out.

You do understand that wax is a lube, right?

I'm sorry, but you are obsessed very oddly with a part that can add little or nothing to the performance of the bike and frankly is esthetically one of the least interesting.

I saw the picture of your bike--it looks beautiful as is. Get a new cassette on it so the chain stops slipping and don't worry so much about how your drive train looks.
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And then it rusted out.

You do understand that wax is a lube, right?

I saw the picture of your bike--it looks beautiful as is. Get a new cassette on it so the chain stops slipping and don't worry so much about how your drive train looks.
Thanks I didn't know wax has oil in it.. Yeah it's likely I'll just get a new cassette (Shimano HG41 7 Spd) and have my wheel trued...

Originally Posted by ThermionicScott View Post
So the OP is a homeless guy saving up for a $100 bicycle chain. Right. I’ll admit it, I got played.
That's what I would like to have but I can't spend that much on a chain as like I said I'm homeless living in a tent. I need to use that money on a canopy/gazebo to prepare for the cold winter..
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Thanks I didn't know wax has oil in it.. Yeah it's likely I'll just get a new cassette (Shimano HG41 7 Spd) and have my wheel trued...


That's what I would like to have but I can't spend that much on a chain as like I said I'm homeless living in a tent. I need to use that money on a canopy/gazebo to prepare for the cold winter..
I wish you the best and hope you can find a place to stay before the cold hits.

Are you going to be able to get around on the bike in the winter?
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I wish you the best and hope you can find a place to stay before the cold hits.

Are you going to be able to get around on the bike in the winter?
I don't know how my bike will handle in the snowy slippery weather and ice.. I don't think my 700c wheel with 23mm tire will do well at all. Good thing I have a part-time job and I can choose hours daily so I can try to avoid the days where the weather is bad. I was thinking about buying a mountain bike for the winter but I'm not sure what to do... don't know what is the most cost efficient way to handle this.
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