Go Back  Bike Forums > The Racer's Forum > "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
Reload this Page >

The Water Cooler, Scuttlebutt, Chit Chat Thread

Notices
"The 33"-Road Bike Racing We set this forum up for our members to discuss their experiences in either pro or amateur racing, whether they are the big races, or even the small backyard races. Don't forget to update all the members with your own race results.

The Water Cooler, Scuttlebutt, Chit Chat Thread

Old 01-30-18, 11:56 AM
  #2326  
caloso
Senior Member
 
caloso's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Sacramento, California, USA
Posts: 38,484

Bikes: Ridley Excalibur, Gazelle Champion Mondial, On-One Pompino, Specialized Rock Hopper

Mentioned: 61 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2025 Post(s)
Liked 446 Times in 249 Posts
Skiing/boarding in the rain is the worst. I'm too old to put up with it anymore.
caloso is online now  
Old 01-30-18, 06:17 PM
  #2327  
big john
Senior Member
 
big john's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: In the foothills of Los Angeles County
Posts: 12,464
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 403 Post(s)
Liked 122 Times in 93 Posts
Sometimes I hate my job so much I can't imagine how I will come back here tomorrow.
big john is offline  
Old 01-30-18, 08:23 PM
  #2328  
carpediemracing 
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Tariffville, CT
Posts: 15,126

Bikes: Tsunami Bikes

Mentioned: 34 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 279 Post(s)
Liked 6 Times in 4 Posts
Originally Posted by TMonk View Post
I'm typically 9 or 9:30 till 6 or 7. I'm a 45-50 hrs/week kinda guy. Exempt from overtime so I get the same paycheck every month but I'm motivated and they give me good raises and bonuses so it's worth it.
Nowadays I'm typically working 8-8 or thereabouts during the week, one weekday off, and maybe a short day (out at 3 pm?) if I have a short week, plus 9-6 Sunday. The expectation is a 48 hour week.

I'm not exempt so the longer weeks can be rewarding. The overtime/hours is like training. I want a heavy week, then recover with a few light weeks, then a heavy week, etc. This way I don't miss too much time with Junior, who seems significantly affected when I'm not there in the evening (he is asleep by 6:30-7:00). I did a 6 day stint, 8-8 5 of the days, I think I missed his bedtime on my alleged 6 pm day. Junior was crying for me at bedtime by the 5th day.

On the heavy weeks the Missus comments that I made more money than her. But they're tough on me, on Junior, on the Missus.
__________________
"...during the Lance years, being fit became the No. 1 thing. Totally the only thing. It’s a big part of what we do, but fitness is not the only thing. There’s skills, there’s tactics … there’s all kinds of stuff..." Tim Johnson
carpediemracing is offline  
Old 01-30-18, 08:25 PM
  #2329  
carpediemracing 
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Tariffville, CT
Posts: 15,126

Bikes: Tsunami Bikes

Mentioned: 34 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 279 Post(s)
Liked 6 Times in 4 Posts
Originally Posted by big john View Post
Sometimes I hate my job so much I can't imagine how I will come back here tomorrow.
I have to think that you'd love working in the shop where I work. The manager there is so good. He built his shop to his philosophy (he got the location when they built a new store so he's managed it from day 1) and it shows.

I've flat out turned down two promotions (maybe 15-20% effective raise?) to stay in the store. I want to enjoy working.
__________________
"...during the Lance years, being fit became the No. 1 thing. Totally the only thing. It’s a big part of what we do, but fitness is not the only thing. There’s skills, there’s tactics … there’s all kinds of stuff..." Tim Johnson
carpediemracing is offline  
Old 01-30-18, 08:47 PM
  #2330  
aplcr0331
Compulsory Collectivisim
 
aplcr0331's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Inland Northwest
Posts: 465
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 186 Post(s)
Liked 12 Times in 5 Posts
Originally Posted by big john View Post
Sometimes I hate my job so much I can't imagine how I will come back here tomorrow.
That sucks man, hang in there. I took a $25K a year pay cut from a high profile high stress job. I’m down a lot of prestige, basically a nobody. Never been happier.

Hope it works out.
aplcr0331 is offline  
Old 01-30-18, 08:57 PM
  #2331  
Flatballer
No matches
 
Flatballer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Eastern PA
Posts: 11,318

Bikes: two wheeled ones

Mentioned: 13 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1103 Post(s)
Liked 50 Times in 34 Posts
Originally Posted by carpediemracing View Post
Nowadays I'm typically working 8-8 or thereabouts during the week, one weekday off, and maybe a short day (out at 3 pm?) if I have a short week, plus 9-6 Sunday. The expectation is a 48 hour week.

I'm not exempt so the longer weeks can be rewarding. The overtime/hours is like training. I want a heavy week, then recover with a few light weeks, then a heavy week, etc. This way I don't miss too much time with Junior, who seems significantly affected when I'm not there in the evening (he is asleep by 6:30-7:00). I did a 6 day stint, 8-8 5 of the days, I think I missed his bedtime on my alleged 6 pm day. Junior was crying for me at bedtime by the 5th day.

On the heavy weeks the Missus comments that I made more money than her. But they're tough on me, on Junior, on the Missus.
Were you made aware of the expectation of the hours before you started?

I feel like companies should be required to tell prospective employees what the median and top 10% of people at the company in similar positions actually work weekly.

Might help slow the growth in hours. Everyone is working more and more for the same pay.
Flatballer is offline  
Old 01-30-18, 09:34 PM
  #2332  
Ttoc6
Cat 3
 
Ttoc6's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2016
Location: UT
Posts: 1,496

Bikes: CAAD 10 / CAAD X / Scalpel

Mentioned: 91 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 580 Post(s)
Liked 113 Times in 47 Posts
I've become a morning pereson since I graduated college. Up by 5ish, to work by 6 and out of there by 4. I work 4x10 normally, but with overtime on the weekends I'm pretty busy. I find it much nicer to work over time on a 10hour days schedule because when you have to come in, the days just feel so short!

Luckily I get paid overtime it's **** (time + 6.50) but i'm doing better than my buddies working for the high profile tech companies that work long weeks, are always on call and don't see jack for overtime pay.
The techs where I work get the good overtime. Time and half first day, double time for second day and if they end up working more than 6 days in a row they keep the double time for the extent of the week. That would be sweet right now.
Ttoc6 is offline  
Old 01-30-18, 09:44 PM
  #2333  
carpediemracing 
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Tariffville, CT
Posts: 15,126

Bikes: Tsunami Bikes

Mentioned: 34 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 279 Post(s)
Liked 6 Times in 4 Posts
Originally Posted by Flatballer View Post
Were you made aware of the expectation of the hours before you started?

I feel like companies should be required to tell prospective employees what the median and top 10% of people at the company in similar positions actually work weekly.

Might help slow the growth in hours. Everyone is working more and more for the same pay.
I'm non-exempt (is that right?) so I get overtime.

The Missus budgeted me at 48 hours a week, so that's what I'd like to work. A short week for me is anything under 45. A long week is over 52-53.

I typically manage to get two bedtimes per week of weekdays (so two bedtimes with Junior Mon-Fri), my Saturday is always off (Missus needs this so I can look after Junior during tax season), and I work almost every Sunday because the expectation is to work one of the two days.

I'll ask for particular Sundays off to race, but limit it to just a couple per year. I race on Tuesdays, one Saturday (state champs are typically on Saturday) and the Fri Night Kermis (a real race, if you will, on Fri night).

Now, in my old IT job, I'd typically be involved in work in someway from 6:30 AM - midnight Sun-Fri. I'd log in early on, start dealing with stuff, drive to work at around 10 AM (about 80-90 minutes commute) M-F, work until 7pm, drive home, then log in and help with night stuff until about midnight. So it'd be somewhat accurate to say that I was on duty about 100-105 hours a week, meaning I really needed to be near a phone and, if not driving, near a computer.

The reality is that although I might have been on the phone/computer, I had more time to do other things than I do now. I had a set up where it was okay to be on Bike Forums the entire time I was at work. I'd have a second or third computer/laptop at home with fun stuff. At work I'd dedicate one screen to "not work" stuff like BF, cyclingnews, etc. So I actually had more time to do stuff like deal with promoting races, posting to BF, writing blog posts, etc. At home I'd also get on the bike and ride, usually on the trainer, and I'd deal with calls if I had to. I did have one disappointing night where I was all psyched to do some big sprints downtown with traffic, got my primitive "camcorder in my jersey pocket" rig all set, I got on the 2 mile loop, got warmed up, then got a cry for help from my counterpart that looked after the Far East. I spent about 45 minutes on the phone walking them through stuff over the phone, finally gave up, got in the car, drove home, and logged in for real. All the talking/etc was captured on my helmet cam.

Although I didn't get paid overtime I was getting some solid pay, at least to me. That work burned me out on IT stuff (I really don't ever want to do IT stuff ever again) but it also allowed me to work in a lower-end-position at a hardware store for almost 5 years and still take another 4 years off from work to raise Junior. To me that was the huge payoff, being able to take time off for Junior. The hardware store was nice (they also allowed me to work on the races and post to BF frequently) but definitely demanded more actual focused attention than IT stuff. For example it's very hard to post to BF if I'm loading 1600 pounds worth of 80 lbs bags into a truck.
__________________
"...during the Lance years, being fit became the No. 1 thing. Totally the only thing. It’s a big part of what we do, but fitness is not the only thing. There’s skills, there’s tactics … there’s all kinds of stuff..." Tim Johnson
carpediemracing is offline  
Old 01-31-18, 08:34 AM
  #2334  
big john
Senior Member
 
big john's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: In the foothills of Los Angeles County
Posts: 12,464
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 403 Post(s)
Liked 122 Times in 93 Posts
Originally Posted by carpediemracing View Post
I have to think that you'd love working in the shop where I work. The manager there is so good. He built his shop to his philosophy (he got the location when they built a new store so he's managed it from day 1) and it shows.

I've flat out turned down two promotions (maybe 15-20% effective raise?) to stay in the store. I want to enjoy working.
My problems aren't because of the manager per se. I don't want to work hard anymore and I'm working harder than I have in years. I get frustrated by cars that I have trouble with and most of what I do involves diagnosis and many of them are problem cars. Back hurts, feet hurt, etc. etc. Yesterday I went home with diesel fuel all over me and I was exhausted.
My riding has suffered, last year was my lowest mileage total in decades. I want to retire but I'm not quite 64 so no Medicare.
Mrs. John was out of work for a year in 2016-2017 and I tried to convince her to move someplace cheap but she kept trying until she got her job back so that killed that escape attempt.
OK, end of job whinge. I think I'll go buy a new mountain bike this weekend to console myself.
big john is offline  
Old 01-31-18, 10:23 AM
  #2335  
furiousferret 
Senior Member
 
furiousferret's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Redlands, CA
Posts: 5,909
Mentioned: 30 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 668 Post(s)
Liked 101 Times in 56 Posts
Speaking of work, I've been asked to work this Saturday. I have a race that day, and its on a short technical course where an trash rider (i.e. me) can get a result if he knows the tricks. You can only corner at 25mph so if you gun the start and get a gap with 2-3 riders, you're probably gone. Still may get to sneak it in but I doubt it.

I'm on OT, On Call, and get to work at home half the time. I do have to skip a lot of races because of on call. The OT is kind of ironic, because it rewards admins and developers that have screwed up.


Originally Posted by big john View Post
My problems aren't because of the manager per se. I don't want to work hard anymore and I'm working harder than I have in years. I get frustrated by cars that I have trouble with and most of what I do involves diagnosis and many of them are problem cars. Back hurts, feet hurt, etc. etc. Yesterday I went home with diesel fuel all over me and I was exhausted.
My riding has suffered, last year was my lowest mileage total in decades. I want to retire but I'm not quite 64 so no Medicare.
Mrs. John was out of work for a year in 2016-2017 and I tried to convince her to move someplace cheap but she kept trying until she got her job back so that killed that escape attempt.
OK, end of job whinge. I think I'll go buy a new mountain bike this weekend to console myself.
My coworker was super excited to retire at 60. At 59 and 9 months he was being belligerent and had short timers syndrome. Then he went to a retirement meeting and found out medical is so expensive he has to wait another 4 years.

Its got to be hard to have a physical job in the 60's. The one thing that really helps me feel younger (besides diet) is yoga.
furiousferret is offline  
Old 01-31-18, 11:49 AM
  #2336  
robbyville
Senior Member
 
robbyville's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Palm Desert, CA
Posts: 2,166

Bikes: Speedvagen Steel

Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 291 Post(s)
Liked 57 Times in 43 Posts
I spent 20+ years in the hospitality business (mostly ski areas and restaurants). Although I loved it overall and allowed for a lot of mountain time talking to guests, visiting locations, etc it was pretty tough on the family life. I did the math and realized that I had not had a single holiday off (Easter, christmas, new year's, etc) since 1992. My last job in VA we opened on Christmas day a little later so I had until 9am or so to hang. When my son was born in 2007 we started to look at other opportunities. VA was nice in that once he was school age, he could jump off the school bus in our resort parking lot, come up to my office and we'd go skiing for a couple of hours if I had the time. If I couldn't go then he was allowed to use the carpet lifts, or ski with a patroller. We were a very small resort where everyone knew each other so that was really nice, then my wife could pick him up and I would work until about 8pm.

We left in 2015 for CA and a change, thankfully my wife still works for a company in VA so we get up pretty early, I can drive our son to school and she can pick him up since she works from home and is generally done by 2pm anyway. I got a job in a different industry and have had the major holidays off which was nice but being a more 9-5 style job I probably get less time with my son than I did in VA. Less stress though.

Now I'm twiddling my thumbs. Company that I worked for sold off and I had a retention agreement whereby if I was not offered a similar position by the purchasing group that I would receive a substantial payout which was really fortunate since I was the only company GM with multiple locations (California/Nevada). Now I'm back on the job hunt, and the small nature of the valley where I live is starting to work against me, probably going back to the hospitality industry which to be fair I miss greatly, it's in the blood!
robbyville is offline  
Old 01-31-18, 11:50 AM
  #2337  
Ygduf
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
Ygduf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Redwood City, CA
Posts: 10,978

Bikes: aggressive agreement is what I ride.

Mentioned: 109 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 967 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Originally Posted by big john View Post
Sometimes I hate my job so much I can't imagine how I will come back here tomorrow.
haha - they told me yesterday, on my birthday, that I was not selected to move forward in hiring for a job that I am totally overqualified for. I feel you.
Ygduf is offline  
Old 01-31-18, 11:54 AM
  #2338  
robbyville
Senior Member
 
robbyville's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Palm Desert, CA
Posts: 2,166

Bikes: Speedvagen Steel

Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 291 Post(s)
Liked 57 Times in 43 Posts
Originally Posted by caloso View Post
Skiing/boarding in the rain is the worst. I'm too old to put up with it anymore.
Yeah, when I first moved out West in '92 and started to work for Whistler Mountain, it was have fun rain or shine. Got well over 60 days of boarding/skiing in. Over the years, being able to jump up and go skiing lost its novelty. By the time I got out to Colorado, I was probably skiing/boarding for pleasure (not skiing in uniform) less than 20 days. Essentially if it was windy, snowy, rainy, cloudy, or looked like any of the above, I wasn't going out
robbyville is offline  
Old 01-31-18, 12:49 PM
  #2339  
topflightpro
Senior Member
 
topflightpro's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 6,544
Mentioned: 51 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1369 Post(s)
Liked 98 Times in 68 Posts
Originally Posted by Ygduf View Post
haha - they told me yesterday, on my birthday, that I was not selected to move forward in hiring for a job that I am totally overqualified for. I feel you.
Maybe you're too qualified, and they worried you'd be bored if they gave you the job?

I got a new manager back in October. When my boss mentioned creating this new manager position, I told her I would be interested in applying. Then my current boss was hired into that position without me getting a chance to apply or interview.

When I mentioned I would have liked to have applied, I was told the position was posted and I could have applied. I said really? They said, yeah. They had posted a lateral position in another department I could have applied for, because they decided to make that the manager position.

I was a bit peeved.

Then I got pulled in to a meeting in November to be told that they did a compensation review and determined I was being underpaid and had been since I moved into my new position in May. As a result, they were going to do a compensation adjustment but after I get my annual performance raise, which essentially negated that raise. Come early December, I was told that they were going to implement the adjustment in January. Then in late December, I was told they weren't sure if they were going to do it at all because the VP was worried about budgets.

I'm now told it will be applied starting Feb. 1. We will see. (And no, there is no discussion of any back pay compensation.)

I may have sent out a resume or two after being told big raise may not happen.
topflightpro is offline  
Old 01-31-18, 12:57 PM
  #2340  
Ygduf
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
Ygduf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Redwood City, CA
Posts: 10,978

Bikes: aggressive agreement is what I ride.

Mentioned: 109 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 967 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Originally Posted by topflightpro View Post
Maybe you're too qualified, and they worried you'd be bored if they gave you the job?

---

I may have sent out a resume or two after being told big raise may not happen.
nah, I'm bored as **** right now but might be seen as too valuable as I'm basically doing 3 people's jobs and running the entire workgroup, just not being compensated or respected for it. Maybe they just had better candidates, I don't know. But the last two people who filled the roles (multiple of them in different areas) came from positions lower than mine, and I've received "exceeds expectations" reviews for like 5 years running in a place where "exceeds" has to be explained and approved by the director-director.

I'll survive, but I'm bitter today.

I looked at the jobs listings around here and there's nothing that gives me the flexibility/compensation balance I have right now, which kind of leads to me feeling trapped. 21-month twins and bike racing hobby are both time consuming.

I may keep looking and get lucky, though. We're pretty financially solvent right now and that will improve greatly in a year when kids go to daycare instead having a nanny. I'll keep looking and pass the time plotting how to best twist the knife when I give like 1 day notice.
Ygduf is offline  
Old 01-31-18, 02:21 PM
  #2341  
topflightpro
Senior Member
 
topflightpro's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 6,544
Mentioned: 51 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1369 Post(s)
Liked 98 Times in 68 Posts
Originally Posted by Ygduf View Post
I looked at the jobs listings around here and there's nothing that gives me the flexibility/compensation balance I have right now, which kind of leads to me feeling trapped. 21-month twins and bike racing hobby are both time consuming.
This is how I feel. A lot of other positions will pay more, but also will require a lot more of my time.
topflightpro is offline  
Old 01-31-18, 02:46 PM
  #2342  
big john
Senior Member
 
big john's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: In the foothills of Los Angeles County
Posts: 12,464
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 403 Post(s)
Liked 122 Times in 93 Posts
I wanted to take all of December off, I have the vacation coming to me, it was slow, and all of my stuff was caught up. I was told by my manager that I could only have one week because the owner said more than one would require owner approval. I saw the owner this morning and asked him about that and he said B.S., it is up to the manager.
This Friday will be my 20 year anniversary here, I think I deserve a little better than that. At least don't lie to me.
big john is offline  
Old 01-31-18, 02:51 PM
  #2343  
big john
Senior Member
 
big john's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: In the foothills of Los Angeles County
Posts: 12,464
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 403 Post(s)
Liked 122 Times in 93 Posts
Originally Posted by furiousferret View Post

Its got to be hard to have a physical job in the 60's. The one thing that really helps me feel younger (besides diet) is yoga.


Yes, it is. I'm on my feet for most of the day, walking around to get cars, find keys, etc. Sometimes I have to push cars but they don't ask me as often as they did when I was younger.
Then there's getting up and down from the floor, setting the hoist, looking under cars, etc.
Some days I stop to eat lunch for 10 or 15 minutes and the rest of the time is working.
big john is offline  
Old 01-31-18, 03:53 PM
  #2344  
Ygduf
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
Ygduf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Redwood City, CA
Posts: 10,978

Bikes: aggressive agreement is what I ride.

Mentioned: 109 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 967 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Originally Posted by big john View Post
At least don't lie to me.

That's like, a huge issue that I'm having here. My manager just set a 1:1 on Friday to talk about why I was eliminated from consideration from this other role. If it's just bull**** platitudes I'm going to lose (more) respect for him.
Ygduf is offline  
Old 01-31-18, 04:19 PM
  #2345  
furiousferret 
Senior Member
 
furiousferret's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Redlands, CA
Posts: 5,909
Mentioned: 30 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 668 Post(s)
Liked 101 Times in 56 Posts
A big issue at our job is the supervisors get paid less than the employees, so the only people that apply are megalomaniacs that just want to salt the earth. After our last 2 supervisors hires the 3 most talented programmers walked out the door. Losing those 3 was equal to 30 people.

Originally Posted by Ygduf View Post
haha - they told me yesterday, on my birthday, that I was not selected to move forward in hiring for a job that I am totally overqualified for. I feel you.
I dunno how this could have happened with Doge and mattm as references.
furiousferret is offline  
Old 01-31-18, 05:22 PM
  #2346  
Flatballer
No matches
 
Flatballer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Eastern PA
Posts: 11,318

Bikes: two wheeled ones

Mentioned: 13 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1103 Post(s)
Liked 50 Times in 34 Posts
Originally Posted by furiousferret View Post
A big issue at our job is the supervisors get paid less than the employees, so the only people that apply are megalomaniacs that just want to salt the earth. After our last 2 supervisors hires the 3 most talented programmers walked out the door. Losing those 3 was equal to 30 people.



I dunno how this could have happened with Doge and mattm as references.
What kind of place pays supervisors less than their employees? That's a recipe for disaster. Is it because of an exempt non exempt change when you make that switch?

My the branch manager asked me a few weeks ago if I wanted to try for the supervisor position vacated by my old boss after I and others complained about him. I was overwhelmed with a project and home life and in a down cycle of my depression so I said thanks but no. I'm regretting it now. It was mine to have and I might have set myself back. But when it's not actually going to pay more, and probably be even more work, it's hard to want that. He said there will be other opportunities, including a group manager role, so that's fine. I think that's something I'd be more interested in since it would be more of an advisory role with only a couple direct reports.

No idea when that will be, but I think probably soon.

Interesting thing is he didn't put me under the new supervisor, but moved me into the other group. So a lateral move, but I'm not sure exactly why.
Flatballer is offline  
Old 01-31-18, 05:43 PM
  #2347  
TMonk
Not actually Tmonk
 
TMonk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: San Diego, CA
Posts: 11,243

Bikes: road, track, mtb

Mentioned: 129 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 953 Post(s)
Liked 152 Times in 81 Posts
In the aftermath of me riding my bike into a moving car last week I learned that my Giant TCR Advanced ISP is totaled. Major bummer - it's a boutique carbon bike that may be the nicest riding bike that I'll over own and I'm OK with that. I also have a Venge Expert (race bike) that will see all of my miles for a little while.

Currently deciding between repairing the top tube on the TCR or saying **** it, cashing my chips in and going back to steel for my daily driver. I had planned on doing that before I bought the Giant which was admittedly a splurge purchase.

The Giant is a great bike and rides wonderfully but I'm hard on my stuff and always kinda worried about it a little too much in the back of my mind. A steel bike can ride nicely too (with right geometry) and be infinitely more resilient towards chips, dings, dents and the like. So I'm torn...

Advice/Opinions appreciated
__________________
"Your beauty is an aeroplane;
so high, my heart cannot bear the strain." -A.C. Jobim, Triste
TMonk is offline  
Old 01-31-18, 05:58 PM
  #2348  
furiousferret 
Senior Member
 
furiousferret's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Redlands, CA
Posts: 5,909
Mentioned: 30 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 668 Post(s)
Liked 101 Times in 56 Posts
Originally Posted by Flatballer View Post
What kind of place pays supervisors less than their employees? That's a recipe for disaster. Is it because of an exempt non exempt change when you make that switch?
Technically they make 7k a year more, but they're on salary and we're on hourly. We get paid every minute we're on call (I think its $4 hr?) and we have lots of overtime. In addition to that supervisors cannot telecommute, which is also a huge bonus. At the end of the year we're probably 10k ahead.
furiousferret is offline  
Old 01-31-18, 06:22 PM
  #2349  
Flatballer
No matches
 
Flatballer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Eastern PA
Posts: 11,318

Bikes: two wheeled ones

Mentioned: 13 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1103 Post(s)
Liked 50 Times in 34 Posts
Originally Posted by furiousferret View Post
Technically they make 7k a year more, but they're on salary and we're on hourly. We get paid every minute we're on call (I think its $4 hr?) and we have lots of overtime. In addition to that supervisors cannot telecommute, which is also a huge bonus. At the end of the year we're probably 10k ahead.
Figured it was an overtime difference. Kind of dumb to structure it like that.
Flatballer is offline  
Old 01-31-18, 06:26 PM
  #2350  
Ygduf
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
Ygduf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Redwood City, CA
Posts: 10,978

Bikes: aggressive agreement is what I ride.

Mentioned: 109 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 967 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Originally Posted by Flatballer View Post
Figured it was an overtime difference. Kind of dumb to structure it like that.
my place got around that by making 8 previously-hourly positions also exempt, but requiring them to be in place 8am-5pm m-f with semi-regular weekend work as well. It's a whole different set of headache.
Ygduf is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2018 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.