Did I get the right size frame, or do I need to size up? (PICS) (yon Endurace AL 7.0)
01-13-19, 09:53 AM
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I seem to be a little late to the party... The small looks a bit small for you (it's my size!), unless you're a high end racer. A medium should fit much better. I think you're doing the sensible thing by exchanging it.
01-13-19, 12:56 PM
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Seems the OP is fairly new to cycling.
so, please note that saddle height is set for riding/pedaling the bike, NOT set as to be able to touch the ground when stopped.
When you stop you ease fwd OFF of the saddle and stradle the bike. You are now able to touch the ground with ease.
Saddle to ground height means nothing.
Yes I know most beach cruiser folks set saddle so low that they can touch ground w bent knee while seated. Hurts me to watch their knees while pedaling. Most kids bikes set the same.
so, please note that saddle height is set for riding/pedaling the bike, NOT set as to be able to touch the ground when stopped.
When you stop you ease fwd OFF of the saddle and stradle the bike. You are now able to touch the ground with ease.
Saddle to ground height means nothing.
Yes I know most beach cruiser folks set saddle so low that they can touch ground w bent knee while seated. Hurts me to watch their knees while pedaling. Most kids bikes set the same.
01-22-19, 07:19 PM
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Hey, thank you for the detailed reply.
The comments are swaying me toward sizing up
I'll tell you how the bike feelsfrom the (short) experience I've had riding it -- I don't want to put in too much wear in case I need to exchange it. Disclaimer: I haven't been on a bike for 6 months, and have only been riding for 1 year, so it's a little hard to know what to look for but I do have a general sense.
The good: I feel like the reach is perfect. I don't feel scrunched up top. The distance between the saddle and bottom bracket feel good, as well. In my pictures it looks like the seat post is long as hell, but I think that is largely due to where the top tube meets the seat tube (strongly angled downward toward seat tube) -- it looks just like the picture Canyon advertises on their website. On the seat post, i'm at the 9.5cm hashmark, whereas the recommended max is 13cm. Also, I can stand over the top tube with a 1-2 inches of space to my crotch.
The bad: I feel like my body is 'low' to the ground when riding -- it kind of feels like my whole body should be higher off the ground than it is. I also feel my torso is a little far forward, and when out of the saddle my body weight seems to be fall ahead of the bars. Lastly, when at a stop light, I can just barely reach the tips of my toes to the ground (not a big deal). Minor toe overlap, but haven't felt it yet during a ride yet.
I'm going to test ride a 56cm Allez at my LBS tomorrow to see how it compares. The specs are similar to that of a size up (medium) to the Canyon Endurace. Which is interesting, because recommendations for Specialized and Trek at my height are both for 56cm, whereas for this model Canyon in between a 54cm and 56cm.
Here are a couple more pics, not in all black.
The comments are swaying me toward sizing up
I'll tell you how the bike feelsfrom the (short) experience I've had riding it -- I don't want to put in too much wear in case I need to exchange it. Disclaimer: I haven't been on a bike for 6 months, and have only been riding for 1 year, so it's a little hard to know what to look for but I do have a general sense.
The good: I feel like the reach is perfect. I don't feel scrunched up top. The distance between the saddle and bottom bracket feel good, as well. In my pictures it looks like the seat post is long as hell, but I think that is largely due to where the top tube meets the seat tube (strongly angled downward toward seat tube) -- it looks just like the picture Canyon advertises on their website. On the seat post, i'm at the 9.5cm hashmark, whereas the recommended max is 13cm. Also, I can stand over the top tube with a 1-2 inches of space to my crotch.
The bad: I feel like my body is 'low' to the ground when riding -- it kind of feels like my whole body should be higher off the ground than it is. I also feel my torso is a little far forward, and when out of the saddle my body weight seems to be fall ahead of the bars. Lastly, when at a stop light, I can just barely reach the tips of my toes to the ground (not a big deal). Minor toe overlap, but haven't felt it yet during a ride yet.
I'm going to test ride a 56cm Allez at my LBS tomorrow to see how it compares. The specs are similar to that of a size up (medium) to the Canyon Endurace. Which is interesting, because recommendations for Specialized and Trek at my height are both for 56cm, whereas for this model Canyon in between a 54cm and 56cm.
Here are a couple more pics, not in all black.
smaller stem
01-22-19, 09:37 PM
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Looked at the Geo charts and your Pics, I'd size up to the medium, will be a better fit. Then you can lose a bunch of those spacers.
01-26-19, 11:51 AM
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Back in the day this rationale was all about a smaller bike being lighter. I still like that theory.
01-26-19, 11:58 AM
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My method for getting in the ballpark for frame size is the Greg LeMond/Cyrille Guimard method. Using a virtual TT, measure frame size (C to C) in CM. If your inseam (in socks) in CM is multiplied by .665 it should give you a size that is ballpark. From there it's a matter of what feels best for you. I have a 32.25" inseam and can ride anything from 54-58. My best fitting bike is my Guru Sidero and that's a 55 with a 55 TT. I also am comfortable on my 58 Masi but the Guru is perfect.
01-26-19, 12:18 PM
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It's the right size for long smooth rides when the bike allows for a position similar to this
Rotate hips, extend arms, knees near elbows (but on the inside).
Good luck with new bike.
Rotate hips, extend arms, knees near elbows (but on the inside).
Good luck with new bike.
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01-26-19, 12:41 PM
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It's be great if i could get down like that and ride comfortably and with decent power and efficiency ... and for about two pedal strokes I can come close.
01-26-19, 06:45 PM
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The original poster seems to be a young man, looking to move up his riding a notch. That was to whom I responded. And he is to be commended for coming back to finish the story. Get the right saddle and away you go. Next upgrade is to tires.
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01-26-19, 06:54 PM
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01-27-19, 12:54 AM
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FWIW, I'm 5'8" and ride medium (modern) frames. Older steel frames, tend to be 53-54CM. It's a matter of daling in the fit, My 2 modern bikes are endurance frames. KB
01-28-19, 07:11 AM
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That is the "proper" riding position if your body allows it and also functions efficiently in that position. That's the whole deal with people being individuals ... we need individually fitted bikes.
It's be great if i could get down like that and ride comfortably and with decent power and efficiency ... and for about two pedal strokes I can come close.
It's be great if i could get down like that and ride comfortably and with decent power and efficiency ... and for about two pedal strokes I can come close.
I honestly applaud this tenacity as that position when you get his age isn't easy.
01-30-19, 11:43 PM
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I'm back! A couple weeks later and the exchange from a size small Canyon Endurace to a size medium has been completed. Thanks for saving me $1,700 y'all. This one feels a lot better. P.S. I'm sure I'll loose some spacers, just give me some time to dial things in - this is an endurance bike after all Any fit advice is welcome:
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01-31-19, 01:39 AM
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The larger frame looks much better I think. For some reason, though, it still looks a bit cramped to me - like the top tube is too short or you have a long torso? Or maybe it’s just the pics? I realize you only have it roughly dialed in. Of course it’s all up to you and how you ride, your flexibility, etc., but the larger frame was the right choice for sure I’d say.
01-31-19, 02:13 AM
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The larger frame looks much better I think. For some reason, though, it still looks a bit cramped to me - like the top tube is too short or you have a long torso? Or maybe it’s just the pics? I realize you only have it roughly dialed in. Of course it’s all up to you and how you ride, your flexibility, etc., but the larger frame was the right choice for sure I’d say.
The difference in size between the small and medium included a 10mm increase in top tube, with a mere 3mm increase in reach because of the high stack. I could always add a longer stem and slam it if I wanted to, though getting the right size frame is my first priority.
Could also be the was my phone compresses photos.
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01-31-19, 07:49 AM
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Congrats Pulsify,
Good move and well done. You look and write like a sensible guy and you are.
Medium size man, medium size bike...pretty basic concept.
You are really upright for a 'decent' rider. You touch upon that so I believe you realize this. I would like to see you get more stretched out and a bit lower so you can use the power in your body. Hard to get the power down in that position and of course you will catch a lot of wind.
Above is a rendering you can compare yourself with. This is a good, athletic recreational position model. Handlebar not much lower than the saddle. Try for 1-2". Visualize the forces in this rider's body. Not much weight on his hands. A far amount of setback. Getting your back angle to closer to 45 deg on the hoods, rotating your pelvis in the saddle and sticking your bum out more will balance your weight better on the saddle. Right now you are really pushing on the handlebar when you power the bike because your torso wants to get lower and your weight is falling forward. What happens is..how you sit on the saddle...you currently sitting on it like a park bench, this somewhat preordains your position on the bike. When you learn to stick your bum out and rotate forward you will not only get lower but need more reach to the handlebar.
Enjoy the ride brother.
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01-31-19, 08:34 PM
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The new bike looks like a much better fit. Might try another cm on the stem (or I'd say the current stem is right if you prefer to put your thumbs on the top of the hoods which will stretch you out just a tad more compared to where your hands are now), but otherwise I think it looks great and this one looks like the right size. I was kind of in the same boat when I bought my bike, rode a few 49s and while I liked how much control I felt I had over the bike in that it felt completely "under" me, they all felt really cramped and the minute I sat on a 52, I knew that was the right size - I like to have a little breathing room.
06-21-19, 03:42 PM
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Not the OP, but I recently went through this when I ordered my Canyon Aeroad SL 8.0. Im 511 and have a 33 inch inseam measured the way Canyon asks you to do it (like sitting on a top tube). I ordered the M size and it is a near perfect fit for me. M is also the size the Canyon fit program came up with.
Had I ordered the S size it would have been too small.
Had I ordered the S size it would have been too small.
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06-21-19, 05:54 PM
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06-21-19, 06:59 PM
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One trick that has served me well is when you are in your riding position and you look down at your stem where it attaches to the handlebar, does it intersect with your front wheel axle? That has usually worked for me when trying to dial things in. I'm about 6'0 and a 57cm is just about right, so I think a 56 for you would also be good.
I thought the first bike looked fine. You were just a tad upright or what others may consider cramped. Some might like being more upright it just depends on your style. If you want to be more stretched out you go up in frame size. I suppose if you became a more aggressive rider you would of wanted a bigger size so I think this is the right decision.
I like having my seat just slightly higher than the bars. Some people like a lot of saddle and want the saddle to be way up past the bars to get in that TDF aero position... so they go with a smaller frame. You could actually go with smaller cranks to raise the saddle more if you wanted a more aero position as well.
I thought the first bike looked fine. You were just a tad upright or what others may consider cramped. Some might like being more upright it just depends on your style. If you want to be more stretched out you go up in frame size. I suppose if you became a more aggressive rider you would of wanted a bigger size so I think this is the right decision.
I like having my seat just slightly higher than the bars. Some people like a lot of saddle and want the saddle to be way up past the bars to get in that TDF aero position... so they go with a smaller frame. You could actually go with smaller cranks to raise the saddle more if you wanted a more aero position as well.
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