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Curious to hear from Exile owners. Thinking about picking one up Monday and there’s nothing about the 2018 models online yet. Looks really great and the price is spot on my budget.
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I cant quote since I’m using my phone. Chose the exile because it’s in my price bracket, and it is my first rode bike so did not want to over commit. I did test ride the explore and expat, yes the shifting is better, but it didn’t feel worth it to spend 400 more. Maybe in the long run I’ll feel bad? But I absolutely love this bike. Plus, I like the black bike, it looks sleek haha.
I was able to fit the Ibera bike rack from amazon (make sure you get the model which is compatible for disc brakes). It fit without me using any curse words.
Was also able able to fit SKS fenders, but I took em down yesterday. Yes they protect you, but all the water and sludge sorta went to the chain/drivetrain. Is that something you guys experience?
The ride ovwrall is very confortable. Takes bumps well. I have ridden an allez and riding on the road is much better with the exile with the roads we have. And I’m not worried taking it onto gravel or a sidewalk if there’s a traffic jam!
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I am *trying* to join the Renegade owners club, but we'll have to see. I was originally interested in the Kona Rove but they don't go bigger than a 58cm frame so that was out (I am 6'4" with long arms even for my height, or so I am told by LBS folks). The 61cm Renegade is a solid fit. Alas, I want the Expat for the steel but just cannot justify the extra $1000 for the Exploit. The 61cm Expat is backordered to hell and back and I might get one by late June/early July. I could get a 61cm Exploit now or I could get a 61cm Explore (the new for 2018 aluminum model, $1000, Sora, carbon fork).
I just started riding again and all I had was a fairly ancient Giant hybrid which I find very uncomfortable on rides longer than a few miles. I tried to buy a cheap used bike for a "rental" to tide me over and just missed out on a lightly used Bianchi Lupo in my size so I settled for a pretty much brand new Raleigh Merit 1 that is a little too small for me. It's dirt cheap, all aluminum with Claris but it is still a marked improvement over the ~2007 Giant FCR I had.
Apparently the Expats being made now are the last run for this model year so if I don't get one, I am out of luck. I should know in a couple of weeks what a more firm arrival date is. My LBS is pinging his Jamis sales rep every few days on my behalf. If I cannot get one or it is going to take forever, I'll have a touch decision on what to get instead. I'd probably just get a Tamland 1 *if* I could get one in my size. At the moment, I still can.
I just started riding again and all I had was a fairly ancient Giant hybrid which I find very uncomfortable on rides longer than a few miles. I tried to buy a cheap used bike for a "rental" to tide me over and just missed out on a lightly used Bianchi Lupo in my size so I settled for a pretty much brand new Raleigh Merit 1 that is a little too small for me. It's dirt cheap, all aluminum with Claris but it is still a marked improvement over the ~2007 Giant FCR I had.
Apparently the Expats being made now are the last run for this model year so if I don't get one, I am out of luck. I should know in a couple of weeks what a more firm arrival date is. My LBS is pinging his Jamis sales rep every few days on my behalf. If I cannot get one or it is going to take forever, I'll have a touch decision on what to get instead. I'd probably just get a Tamland 1 *if* I could get one in my size. At the moment, I still can.
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Any shots of fitment in the rear where clearances are tight would be greatly appreciated.
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I am *trying* to join the Renegade owners club, but we'll have to see. I was originally interested in the Kona Rove but they don't go bigger than a 58cm frame so that was out (I am 6'4" with long arms even for my height, or so I am told by LBS folks). The 61cm Renegade is a solid fit. Alas, I want the Expat for the steel but just cannot justify the extra $1000 for the Exploit. The 61cm Expat is backordered to hell and back and I might get one by late June/early July. I could get a 61cm Exploit now or I could get a 61cm Explore (the new for 2018 aluminum model, $1000, Sora, carbon fork).
I just started riding again and all I had was a fairly ancient Giant hybrid which I find very uncomfortable on rides longer than a few miles. I tried to buy a cheap used bike for a "rental" to tide me over and just missed out on a lightly used Bianchi Lupo in my size so I settled for a pretty much brand new Raleigh Merit 1 that is a little too small for me. It's dirt cheap, all aluminum with Claris but it is still a marked improvement over the ~2007 Giant FCR I had.
Apparently the Expats being made now are the last run for this model year so if I don't get one, I am out of luck. I should know in a couple of weeks what a more firm arrival date is. My LBS is pinging his Jamis sales rep every few days on my behalf. If I cannot get one or it is going to take forever, I'll have a touch decision on what to get instead. I'd probably just get a Tamland 1 *if* I could get one in my size. At the moment, I still can.
I just started riding again and all I had was a fairly ancient Giant hybrid which I find very uncomfortable on rides longer than a few miles. I tried to buy a cheap used bike for a "rental" to tide me over and just missed out on a lightly used Bianchi Lupo in my size so I settled for a pretty much brand new Raleigh Merit 1 that is a little too small for me. It's dirt cheap, all aluminum with Claris but it is still a marked improvement over the ~2007 Giant FCR I had.
Apparently the Expats being made now are the last run for this model year so if I don't get one, I am out of luck. I should know in a couple of weeks what a more firm arrival date is. My LBS is pinging his Jamis sales rep every few days on my behalf. If I cannot get one or it is going to take forever, I'll have a touch decision on what to get instead. I'd probably just get a Tamland 1 *if* I could get one in my size. At the moment, I still can.
Having ridden both a steel Renegade and a Tamland I can say they are both really fun bikes. Neither are going to blow you away with speed but they are solid, fun bikes. I really like both, with a slight nod to my Tamland for reasons that don't really matter (color).
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Welcome to the forums!
Having ridden both a steel Renegade and a Tamland I can say they are both really fun bikes. Neither are going to blow you away with speed but they are solid, fun bikes. I really like both, with a slight nod to my Tamland for reasons that don't really matter (color).
Having ridden both a steel Renegade and a Tamland I can say they are both really fun bikes. Neither are going to blow you away with speed but they are solid, fun bikes. I really like both, with a slight nod to my Tamland for reasons that don't really matter (color).
I do wish Jamis plugged the $1000 Expat/Exploit gap in their line-up and offered a $1600-ish model with 105 and Spyres like the Tamland 1.
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Are you able to elaborate more on the ride characteristics differences between the two? Honestly, I want a bike that is gravel capable, but I suspect that the vast majority of my riding will either be on pavement or on fairly gentle towpath type trails. For example, if you had to ride a paved or mostly-paved century, which of the two would make the better choice, all other factors being equal (tires, ignoring the 105/Tiagra factor, etc.)?
I do wish Jamis plugged the $1000 Expat/Exploit gap in their line-up and offered a $1600-ish model with 105 and Spyres like the Tamland 1.
I do wish Jamis plugged the $1000 Expat/Exploit gap in their line-up and offered a $1600-ish model with 105 and Spyres like the Tamland 1.
edit: The Jamis will likely have better wheels. (as in lighter)
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Cosmetically, I strongly prefer the Renegade. In fact, I desperately wish I could get an Expat that had the Explore green paint job. The Expat blue is nice but the Explore is downright pretty.
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OK, thanks much! Now I just have to decide how long I am willing to wait before I just say "eff this!" and order the Tamland. This will partially be determined on how much I hate continuing to ride the Merit 1 I have now. I did have an adjustable stem put on last night so that should help.
Cosmetically, I strongly prefer the Renegade. In fact, I desperately wish I could get an Expat that had the Explore green paint job. The Expat blue is nice but the Explore is downright pretty.
Cosmetically, I strongly prefer the Renegade. In fact, I desperately wish I could get an Expat that had the Explore green paint job. The Expat blue is nice but the Explore is downright pretty.
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Is that a WTB resolute? Because it looks like a resolute. I assume the stock i23 rims? I ask because I am about to build up an Escapade and I want to use this exact tire, but I worry that a 23mm internal rim will cause clearance issues.
Any shots of fitment in the rear where clearances are tight would be greatly appreciated.
Any shots of fitment in the rear where clearances are tight would be greatly appreciated.
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Wow - that is close!
Thinking of putting 42mm Resolutes on my Escapade's stock wheels- how much did you have to sand off? Looking to fit as much rubber in as possible for burlier conditions (singletrack etc) and have a 2nd set of wheels built up to ride my regular rubber (Panaracer 38mm Slicks).
In hindsight, would you go Nano 40's rear and Resolute 42 front? Or worth the effort for the Resolutes on the back?
Thinking of putting 42mm Resolutes on my Escapade's stock wheels- how much did you have to sand off? Looking to fit as much rubber in as possible for burlier conditions (singletrack etc) and have a 2nd set of wheels built up to ride my regular rubber (Panaracer 38mm Slicks).
In hindsight, would you go Nano 40's rear and Resolute 42 front? Or worth the effort for the Resolutes on the back?
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Wow - that is close!
Thinking of putting 42mm Resolutes on my Escapade's stock wheels- how much did you have to sand off? Looking to fit as much rubber in as possible for burlier conditions (singletrack etc) and have a 2nd set of wheels built up to ride my regular rubber (Panaracer 38mm Slicks).
In hindsight, would you go Nano 40's rear and Resolute 42 front? Or worth the effort for the Resolutes on the back?
Thinking of putting 42mm Resolutes on my Escapade's stock wheels- how much did you have to sand off? Looking to fit as much rubber in as possible for burlier conditions (singletrack etc) and have a 2nd set of wheels built up to ride my regular rubber (Panaracer 38mm Slicks).
In hindsight, would you go Nano 40's rear and Resolute 42 front? Or worth the effort for the Resolutes on the back?
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Thought I'd share in the Renegade love.
L to R: 2018 Expat, 2017 Exploit, 2018 Escapade.
All tubelessed.
Have 1x11 converted the Exploit and Escapade for simplicity and lower range of gearing over stock (ride a fair bit of singletrack on them and 1x was better suited for big gear dumps).
Also used some Wolf Tooth B-Rad bases to re-position the bottle cages quickly (two quick bolts to crack + tighten) should I need to run a half-frame bag & to fit the Fabric cageless keg as there was some clearance issues on the underside down-tube bottle bosses.
Loving how nippy they ride. Perfect for 5-15kg weighted touring and still agile, responsive and nippy for regular training rides. Used to have a Kona Sutra and Surly Cross-Check, both of which were comparatively lethargic unloaded (they were great with 25kg load, but that happens once every couple of years. The Renegade still rides well with heavy 25kg loads though). Normally a mountain biker - so a road bike I can do some intervals/tempo training rides and still hoon off on bits of singletrack in the corner of my eye is perfect.
L to R: 2018 Expat, 2017 Exploit, 2018 Escapade.
All tubelessed.
Have 1x11 converted the Exploit and Escapade for simplicity and lower range of gearing over stock (ride a fair bit of singletrack on them and 1x was better suited for big gear dumps).
Also used some Wolf Tooth B-Rad bases to re-position the bottle cages quickly (two quick bolts to crack + tighten) should I need to run a half-frame bag & to fit the Fabric cageless keg as there was some clearance issues on the underside down-tube bottle bosses.
Loving how nippy they ride. Perfect for 5-15kg weighted touring and still agile, responsive and nippy for regular training rides. Used to have a Kona Sutra and Surly Cross-Check, both of which were comparatively lethargic unloaded (they were great with 25kg load, but that happens once every couple of years. The Renegade still rides well with heavy 25kg loads though). Normally a mountain biker - so a road bike I can do some intervals/tempo training rides and still hoon off on bits of singletrack in the corner of my eye is perfect.
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What are your impressions of the Renegade with 650 plus tyres? Feel / changes to geometry?
I'm tempted to build up a 650b+ wheelset and go with the WTB Byways. There are a couple options for local 1hr training loops, buff roads through to more chundery singletrack. Will do either as my local training loop depending on mood. Will also do a few overnighters, some of them pretty buff paved/unpaved. Others through some decent chundery stuff. The stock wheels on my Escapade I've set up tubeless with Panaracer 38m slicks (ai to dabble in underbiking, and it's not really muddy-wet here in Melbourne, Australia). So was after something more for beefy terrain/underbiming on singletrack and terrible roads which would be a snooze on the Enduro MTB.
I'm tempted to build up a 650b+ wheelset and go with the WTB Byways. There are a couple options for local 1hr training loops, buff roads through to more chundery singletrack. Will do either as my local training loop depending on mood. Will also do a few overnighters, some of them pretty buff paved/unpaved. Others through some decent chundery stuff. The stock wheels on my Escapade I've set up tubeless with Panaracer 38m slicks (ai to dabble in underbiking, and it's not really muddy-wet here in Melbourne, Australia). So was after something more for beefy terrain/underbiming on singletrack and terrible roads which would be a snooze on the Enduro MTB.
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What are your impressions of the Renegade with 650 plus tyres? Feel / changes to geometry?
I'm tempted to build up a 650b+ wheelset and go with the WTB Byways. There are a couple options for local 1hr training loops, buff roads through to more chundery singletrack. Will do either as my local training loop depending on mood. Will also do a few overnighters, some of them pretty buff paved/unpaved. Others through some decent chundery stuff. The stock wheels on my Escapade I've set up tubeless with Panaracer 38m slicks (ai to dabble in underbiking, and it's not really muddy-wet here in Melbourne, Australia). So was after something more for beefy terrain/underbiming on singletrack and terrible roads which would be a snooze on the Enduro MTB.
I'm tempted to build up a 650b+ wheelset and go with the WTB Byways. There are a couple options for local 1hr training loops, buff roads through to more chundery singletrack. Will do either as my local training loop depending on mood. Will also do a few overnighters, some of them pretty buff paved/unpaved. Others through some decent chundery stuff. The stock wheels on my Escapade I've set up tubeless with Panaracer 38m slicks (ai to dabble in underbiking, and it's not really muddy-wet here in Melbourne, Australia). So was after something more for beefy terrain/underbiming on singletrack and terrible roads which would be a snooze on the Enduro MTB.
As far as this particular conversion goes, between the very slightly lowered bottom bracket and the slightly wider tire footprint my Jamis feels a touch more stable and planted. If you own a Renegade you know it's more of a steady cruiser than a jumpy sprinters bike - this wheels swap enhances that sensation of all day comfort. The feel is planted and cushy on pavement, and the bigger rubber adds a touch of compliance and grip to dirt. Laying it into corners with such fat tires is a very secure sensation. I recommend it!
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What fenders are those? I'd like to put fenders on my Renegade Escapade as well and I'm hoping I can fit some over the 700x38 Schwalbe G-One Speed tubeless tires I put on the stock WTB Frequency Team i23 rims. I mostly want them to shield my niece and dog from debris and water when I have my Burley Kazoo trailer bike or Burley Tail Wagon trailer attached.
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What fenders are those? I'd like to put fenders on my Renegade Escapade as well and I'm hoping I can fit some over the 700x38 Schwalbe G-One Speed tubeless tires I put on the stock WTB Frequency Team i23 rims. I mostly want them to shield my niece and dog from debris and water when I have my Burley Kazoo trailer bike or Burley Tail Wagon trailer attached.
They're a little narrower than I'd like for good coverage over 50mm tires but they are about as wide a fender as would fit the Renegade without surgery.
Might be tough to fit fenders over 700x38 tires. Clearance would be tight. My buddy has 700c X 38mm Compass tires on his Renegade and there's no room for fenders. If your Schwalbes are a little under-sized you might be ok. If you really want fenders you might need to move to a 35-36mm tire.
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Full disclosure: I've been running 650b wheels for a number of years so it's safe to say I'm a fan of the bigger tire/smaller rim combo. Also, I've since changed from the GravelKing SK tires to a set of Compass Switchback Hills. My routes are usually a mix of pavement and dirt and I felt that the SK's were a bit dirt biased to feel great on the pavement. The Switchbacks are a better match for my usual routes, though I'm going to keep the SK's around for more dirt-oriented jaunts.
As far as this particular conversion goes, between the very slightly lowered bottom bracket and the slightly wider tire footprint my Jamis feels a touch more stable and planted. If you own a Renegade you know it's more of a steady cruiser than a jumpy sprinters bike - this wheels swap enhances that sensation of all day comfort. The feel is planted and cushy on pavement, and the bigger rubber adds a touch of compliance and grip to dirt. Laying it into corners with such fat tires is a very secure sensation. I recommend it!
As far as this particular conversion goes, between the very slightly lowered bottom bracket and the slightly wider tire footprint my Jamis feels a touch more stable and planted. If you own a Renegade you know it's more of a steady cruiser than a jumpy sprinters bike - this wheels swap enhances that sensation of all day comfort. The feel is planted and cushy on pavement, and the bigger rubber adds a touch of compliance and grip to dirt. Laying it into corners with such fat tires is a very secure sensation. I recommend it!
The idea with the Byways for the quick wheel swap over the Panaracer Gravelking Slicks (almost identical to the Barlow Pass) was to ride singletrack (that isn't too far from my front door) that wouldn't be all that fun on a long-travel MTB. Felt like the Byways with the bald centre tread would make pavement riding enjoyable whilst still having some side knob for laying the bike into corners/where there's something to actually bite into. That feeling of additional 'calmness' sounds useful in tweaking a twitchy (relative to a MTB) bike to something more composed on singletrack. The other option was to go with 700 x 42 Resolutes for this same purpose - but am curious about the max grip from a 650b setup.
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Thanks for the info and feedback - and I agree with your choice in going with a complete supple slick unless you actually ride in the mud or loam.
The idea with the Byways for the quick wheel swap over the Panaracer Gravelking Slicks (almost identical to the Barlow Pass) was to ride singletrack (that isn't too far from my front door) that wouldn't be all that fun on a long-travel MTB. Felt like the Byways with the bald centre tread would make pavement riding enjoyable whilst still having some side knob for laying the bike into corners/where there's something to actually bite into. That feeling of additional 'calmness' sounds useful in tweaking a twitchy (relative to a MTB) bike to something more composed on singletrack. The other option was to go with 700 x 42 Resolutes for this same purpose - but am curious about the max grip from a 650b setup.
The idea with the Byways for the quick wheel swap over the Panaracer Gravelking Slicks (almost identical to the Barlow Pass) was to ride singletrack (that isn't too far from my front door) that wouldn't be all that fun on a long-travel MTB. Felt like the Byways with the bald centre tread would make pavement riding enjoyable whilst still having some side knob for laying the bike into corners/where there's something to actually bite into. That feeling of additional 'calmness' sounds useful in tweaking a twitchy (relative to a MTB) bike to something more composed on singletrack. The other option was to go with 700 x 42 Resolutes for this same purpose - but am curious about the max grip from a 650b setup.
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Thanks for the info and feedback - and I agree with your choice in going with a complete supple slick unless you actually ride in the mud or loam.
The idea with the Byways for the quick wheel swap over the Panaracer Gravelking Slicks (almost identical to the Barlow Pass) was to ride singletrack (that isn't too far from my front door) that wouldn't be all that fun on a long-travel MTB. Felt like the Byways with the bald centre tread would make pavement riding enjoyable whilst still having some side knob for laying the bike into corners/where there's something to actually bite into. That feeling of additional 'calmness' sounds useful in tweaking a twitchy (relative to a MTB) bike to something more composed on singletrack. The other option was to go with 700 x 42 Resolutes for this same purpose - but am curious about the max grip from a 650b setup.
The idea with the Byways for the quick wheel swap over the Panaracer Gravelking Slicks (almost identical to the Barlow Pass) was to ride singletrack (that isn't too far from my front door) that wouldn't be all that fun on a long-travel MTB. Felt like the Byways with the bald centre tread would make pavement riding enjoyable whilst still having some side knob for laying the bike into corners/where there's something to actually bite into. That feeling of additional 'calmness' sounds useful in tweaking a twitchy (relative to a MTB) bike to something more composed on singletrack. The other option was to go with 700 x 42 Resolutes for this same purpose - but am curious about the max grip from a 650b setup.