bicycletothesun

Looking for a quality USA builder or European...Do not want my frame to ever have touched Taiwan. Besides custom roads -- any big names?

ridethecliche

If you're looking for a well priced Al frame:

Spooky bikes.

https://www.spookybikes.com/ProductDe...tCode=SKELETOR

I met the owner, and he's good people. The bike rides pretty well too.

Handmade in Easthampton, Mass.

Could be custom, but they have a ton of off the shelf frames. Reasonably priced (850 for frame and 1250 for frameset) and 400 for crash replacement frame.

bicycletothesun

Thanks! I'm liking the look of these. I bookmarked them.

ridethecliche

Yeah.

Get one. You won't regret it. They ride pretty sweet.

The spooky/kenda team is pretty happy with them and they support a lot of grassroots road, mountain, and cross stuff.

tkm

All of the carbon Trek OCLV Black and Red frames are made and assembled in the USA.

The aluminum Cannondale CAAD 9 frame is still made in the USA--at least for one more year. In 2011 who knows, you may be able to buy them at WalMart.

Psimet2001 

Hmmm....I hope those guys don't use tools from Taiwan of computers from Taiwan or asia to place their order... *hand-wringing*


Seriously do we have to go through this again.

MONGO!

Time, also Veloforma.

Higher end Parlee as well as a bunch of small steel buildrs like Vanilla/Speedvagen, Co-Motion, Landshark, etc.

Do a little research, you'll find a bustling industry of small builders in this country.

pchopper

What if it's built in the USA...by a CHINESE worker (that's right, I just blew your mind)

bicycletothesun

I'm not asking this question to start a fight.

But I will add: I don't think it's right (now that is my subjective use of the word) for a company, say Bianchi, to charge $2500+ for their bicycles to find out it's made in Asia. I take pride in not only the quality of my bicycles but also the heritage. Bianchi for 95% of their current lineup are made in Taiwan. It is not Italian. Just like Cannondale will soon not be American.

Does having a Bianchi made in Taiwan affect the quality? No.
Does having a Bianchi made in Taiwan ruin its heritage? Yes.

I love Co-Motion! They have some awesome touring bikes...

You didn't blow my mind

I wouldn't care if a Chinese worker built my bike as long as s/he was in the USA and I was buying an American bike.

If I wanted a Taiwan bike I would find one of their local builders and get one. I do not expect historically American or European builders to ship their operation to Taiwan because of the cheaper labor. I won't buy from that company any further.

MONGO!

Thing is, most of the US Bianchis were made in Japan before they started making them in Taiwan.

There are plenty of builders making bikes right here in the US, a couple are still made in Europe.

phallenthoul

Cyfac@france. Passoni@italy. Rafael@germany

Atol

Is there any particular reason for not wanting something made in Taiwan?

bicycletothesun

Post #9.

coasting 

i don't want to buy anything made in USA or been anywhere near USA or touched by grubby USA hands. I'm not racist just like the op.

bicycletothesun

Wherever the point of origin was for a biking company ---- that is where it should remain into the future to have my support.

It's nothing about racism, Coasting. Maybe you should actually learn what racism is in your high school civics class.

RiDE

I'm pretty sure that computer youre using to type on has a part, if not all of it, made in Asia. Is that acceptable for you?

bicycletothesun

Since computers are not my passion I don't care. So yes, 100% acceptable to me.

coasting 

so why are you in favour of european bikes in usa. and are you saying trek should stop selling madones in europe?

bicycletothesun

If the European builder originally started in say Portugal, and all of their frame building occurred in Portugal --- they are eligible for my money. If they originally made their bikes in Portugal 15 years ago, but have since stopped and are having them made elsewhere --- they are ineligible for my money.

Trek can sell their bikes wherever they want. They are not really an "American" company though because the majority of their bicycles are made in Taiwan/China.

If I wanted a Chinese bike, I would buy a Chinese bike.

I do not want an Italian bike made in China.

What's so f**** hard to get? You don't have to agree with me. But don't play dumb, either. And with that I'm done with defending my position. Spend $2000 on your "American" Trek. Spend $3000 on your "Italian" bike. All I'm asking for in this thread is for people to list companies where that company is basing their entire operation IN their original country of origin. It's about heritage. That is what I'm paying for. Subjective for you perhaps, very tangible for me.

coasting 

portuguese bike made in portugal sold in usa is ok. asian bike made in asia sold in usa is not ok? hmmm i don't follow your logic.

do you use shimano or campy? shimano is asian you know.

Psimet2001 

...maybe the fact that calling anything manufactured or assembled in today's economy from "1" country is simple, nay naive.

It also points to the fact that you seem to have a problem with asians. If your real problem is that manufacturers move their production plants from country to country....then go buy a Giant. They've been in Taiwan from the start and have represented quality since the begining. No country jumping there.

Just ask most of the other manufacturers....they should know because they moved their frames to Giant to have them made by them.....because they're better.

What kind of car do you buy? I only ask because all of them have moved production to many different countries over the years. You must go crazy trying to decide.....

I'd bet you'd never buy a Honda....because they're made in America....and they're "supposed" to be made in Japan.

Psimet2001 

So is a majority of Campy. He propels his bike with the power of rainbows and unicorns.

bicycletothesun

Asian bike made in Asia but sold in the USA = That is okay.

I am not looking for an Asian manufacturer , however.

Did you read the topic? I'm looking for an American or European manufacturer that actually makes their frames in their respective country.

Whew!

bicycletothesun

I don't own a car and never will. Thanks, but I don't need to flood my head with such worries. And if I did need a car one day, I wouldn't care if it was made in Asia. Cars are not my passion. Just like my Acer laptop came from Asia, and I love it!

coasting 

now you have really confused me. usa, european and asian bikes sold in usa are all ok. lets hug and go for a ride.