romperrr 

Interesting write up about a (gasp) modern bike. Sharing it with you esteemed people here as the reviewer likens the geometry to bicycles 100 years ago and also discusses the evolution of bike fit philosophy over time.

https://bikepacking.com/bikes/tangle...shiner-review/

tiger1964 

Moonshiner? Where do you fit the 100-gallon tank? (My mother's 2nd husband was once in the -- ahem -- "beverage distribution" line of work)

cb400bill

Interesting looking frame.

Maxey

Okay, you got my attention...I sure would like to at least give one a spin and see how it feels.

Wildwood 

Convince your local bike shop to become a stocking dealer. Probably a good fit for parts of ND.

Piff 

Interersting bike. I don't understand why the reviewer says drop bars are a must for the geometry, there are plenty of flat bars that would get your hands in a similar spot. Looks like a modern roadie/gravel-ie version of the bikes Grant is putting out these days, 'country bikes'. Not to say anyone's copying anyone, just noting the similarity.

I also still don't understand the modern fascination of using a giant handlebar bag for bikepacking. I enjoy using a basket+front rack setup for commuting 5-10 miles. Days and days of having all that weight even higher on potentially rough and rocky terrain? I don't get it. But I haven't tried it out so...

Maxey

It would be a great fit for western N. Dakota trails and byways -- unfortunately, there just isn't any kind of ready market for mid-to high end custom bicycles out here. I see more horses out on the trails than I see bicycles. My local bike shop, Steffan Saw and Bike, has a much more brisk business in chain saws (probably wood chippers too!) than bicycles.

Wildwood 

Rivbike Clem frame is more expensive, fewer bike packing attachments, etc. Different fork, different bike. Does Rivbike even list the full geometry? Crazy long chainstays. Maybe with drop bars a Clem offers a similar seated position. Both framesets from Taiwan.

edit: Reading the lengthy description of Tanglefoot, they reference GP as an inspiration. Who knew? Let's hope Tanglefoot enjoys the longevity of Rivendell.

shoota 

We now have a "Woods Exploration" category?? I can't keep up.

Reynolds 

Has an omafiets vibe.

chain_whipped

What's old is new. Today's version of the 1890's safety bike.

RiddleOfSteel

I am glad it's a good bike, and has taken much time and much thought in development. It is tough to look at, IMO, and I believe the aesthetic could be streamlined or made much more cohesive without losing any functionality.

Piff 

I looked it up, the Clem and Susie frames have chainstays about 10cm longer. Yeesh. That's gotta feel like a boat on the trails.

I also looked up the Surly Krampus. Similar idea, but more tucked.






Versus the Tanglewood:

Korina

If you read the comments, some folks, including the author, think the Moonshiner has a lot in common with the Surly Pugsly. I don't care enough to look, just thought it was mildly interesting.

gugie 

Depends what you mean by bikepacking.

Last September myself and some of the Usual Suspects did a 6 day credit card tour that took us over some very gravelly roads. My typical kit for such adventures usually weighs in at around 15 pounds including the bags.

But if you mean sleeping in a tent, with sleeping bag, maybe cooking gear, there's this (a S24O trip during the pandemic):

Tent, sleeping bag and stove along with the rest of my kit. I made a custom rack and decaleur for this bike that holds the bag down securely. No issues keeping kit attached to bike on bumpy gravel descents, but I do believe it would handle better with the weight lower.