Anyone recognize these lugs?
03-21-24, 10:18 PM
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Anyone recognize these lugs?
I don't see any markings in the dropouts. Really faint serial number (short number) on the underside of the he bb shell. English threaded bb. 27.0 seatpost. No fork.
Any guesses?
03-21-24, 10:59 PM
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I just ID'd some similar as "Prugnat ? with windows" but I think I was mistaken. Now I think these are Bocama (BCM) Competition.But seeing Bulgie's comment below, I correct my correction! With the rest of the details I have no idea what the make is, could be dozens but it's double-butted Imperial tubing like 531, Columbus SL or Vitus and with Brit BB threading more likely 531. The mitering inside the BB shell is pretty well done!
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Prugnat S4.
To see them at their finest, feast your eyes on this Brian Chapman from a few years ago, a stunner.
They don't get used much anymore, like in the last 40 years, 'cuz framebuilders nowadays are all lazy!
To see them at their finest, feast your eyes on this Brian Chapman from a few years ago, a stunner.
They don't get used much anymore, like in the last 40 years, 'cuz framebuilders nowadays are all lazy!
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The cut out reminds me of Losa with a slightly exaggerated V shape but as a BSA bike, most certainly not.
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My Bob Jackson w/ Reynolds 753 is lugged identically. Anyway would be of interest to know the lug manufacturer too..
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have not before seen this seat stay bridge with the hexagonal front
appears framebuilder may have brazed a hex nut to the front of a stock bridge from someone such as Haden
we certainly appear to be in the UK here
this bridge detail might be a helpful clue in determining a specific maker
perchance one of our framebuilder members or @MauriceMoss may have seen it previously...
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have not before seen this seat stay bridge with the hexagonal front
appears framebuilder may have brazed a hex nut to the front of a stock bridge from someone such as Haden
we certainly appear to be in the UK here
this bridge detail might be a helpful clue in determining a specific maker
perchance one of our framebuilder members or @MauriceMoss may have seen it previously...
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03-22-24, 07:38 AM
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have not before seen this seat stay bridge with the hexagonal front
appears framebuilder may have brazed a hex nut to the front of a stock bridge from someone such as Haden
we certainly appear to be in the UK here
this bridge detail might be a helpful clue in determining a specific maker
perchance one of our framebuilder members or @MauriceMoss may have seen it previously...
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have not before seen this seat stay bridge with the hexagonal front
appears framebuilder may have brazed a hex nut to the front of a stock bridge from someone such as Haden
we certainly appear to be in the UK here
this bridge detail might be a helpful clue in determining a specific maker
perchance one of our framebuilder members or @MauriceMoss may have seen it previously...
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To be more clear, I'm trying to identify the frame builder here, not just the lugs.
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yes, that be the point o' me observation
wrt low countries, chain stay stop could be a clue...
it does not look like a Nr.621, similar but different
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03-22-24, 09:34 AM
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Someone on Facebook suggested Eisentraut, and I don't think they're correct but it is the closest seatstay cap match so far:
Brake bridge looks different, but I guess we can consider some American builders as well.
Brake bridge looks different, but I guess we can consider some American builders as well.
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Interesting, I've only ever seen the fastback seat stays on Bob Jackson frames. I think Bob Jackson made a lot of the Eisentraut Limiteds, so makes sense it would match above.
What seatpost does this take? And what does the serial number look like?
What seatpost does this take? And what does the serial number look like?
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Prugnat S4.
To see them at their finest, feast your eyes on this Brian Chapman from a few years ago, a stunner.
They don't get used much anymore, like in the last 40 years, 'cuz framebuilders nowadays are all lazy!
To see them at their finest, feast your eyes on this Brian Chapman from a few years ago, a stunner.
They don't get used much anymore, like in the last 40 years, 'cuz framebuilders nowadays are all lazy!
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Prugnat S4.
To see them at their finest, feast your eyes on this Brian Chapman from a few years ago, a stunner.
They don't get used much anymore, like in the last 40 years, 'cuz framebuilders nowadays are all lazy!
To see them at their finest, feast your eyes on this Brian Chapman from a few years ago, a stunner.
They don't get used much anymore, like in the last 40 years, 'cuz framebuilders nowadays are all lazy!
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1987 Crest Cannondale, 1987 Basso Gap, 1992 Rossin Performance EL, 1990ish Van Tuyl, 1985 Trek 670, 1982 AD SLE, 2003 Pinarello Surprise, 1990ish MBK Atlantique, 1987 Peugeot Competition, 1987 Nishiki Tri-A, 1981 Faggin, 1996 Cannondale M500, 1984 Mercian, 1982 AD SuperLeicht, 1985 Massi (model unknown), 1988 Daccordi Griffe , 1989 Fauxsin MTB, 1981 Ciocc Mockba, 1992 Bianchi Giro, 1977 Colnago Super
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