littlebeetle

Hi,

I come across this frame which have little heritage.

Started back in this place in Brescia, Italy in 1948, I see the frame finishing is very carefully done by Matarozzo Edoardo.
Comes with Reynolds tubing, Shimano dropout and the cables routing are outside.

Anyone here come across it before or even own it?
I am also wish to know the year for this frame is made.

Thanks.

iab

Mata is still in business. You could email them.

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Henry III

I'll take a stab and say early to mid 80's. Put me down for 82. I just work up so I'm still a bit fuzzy. Haha!

unworthy1

Could be around '82, I'd have guessed earlier based on the cable routing and use of nutted brakes, but since this Italian builder used Shimano EF dropouts, '82 might be right about spot on.
Interesting that he also built with Reynolds 531.

cbresciani

Nice looking frame, my guess would be early 80's also 81-83.

littlebeetle

It looks unusual to me an Italian builder to use Shimano droupout...because it always associate with Campagnolo.
Spotted on the use of nutted brakes...however, isn't this normal during steel era?

Anyway...I am excited to received this soon

unworthy1

it's unusual for an Italian builder to use 531 as well as the Shimano dropouts (but there are far more who built with 531 than used these DOs in the early '80s).
Most Italian frames, even from some of the "big names" who used 531 would typically employ Campagnolo, Gipiemme (GPM), or others Italian makes such as Tecnociclo or perhaps Silva, dropouts.

littlebeetle

I believe it's going to be a great frame. Seller was telling me it's lightweight. I do not have any Reynolds 531 frame, so this would be my first. I will compare it with my Columbus SL.

The DOs, hmm....will campagnolo or any other italian derailleur can just fit?

79pmooney

I'm guessing '81-83 also. Nutted brake was the norm then. Derailleur cable routing suggests the earlier dates. So do the indentations on the chainstays. But the brake housing guides suggest the later dates, as do the dropouts. Nice frame!

Re: the derailleur hanger. I think it is a good bet that Shimano took the usual approach and made it and the hanger and stop to be best standard they could find. So I think it is highly unlikely they would go out of their way to tool up and make a dropout that cannot accommodate the most popular derailleur of its day. (I recently picked up an older Raleigh Carlton with Heuret dropouts. Now those were a different standard. Same threads but the derailleur adjusting screw was useless! Gave up on the screw and made a piece to engage the stop and hold the derailleur in place. Works fine, but it took a lot of hours to get there.)

Ben

unworthy1

yes^ it will have standard ISO threading and the same stop location as Campagnolo and most other RDs use. The exceptions would be Huret and most Simplex RDs but virtually all others from Italy or Japan will fit.

littlebeetle

The bike is with me now.

Take a closer look....wow beautiful Reynolds tubing and carefully finished by the builder.