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Old 06-23-19, 10:56 PM
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ID, all chrome, a hidden gem? maybe

This is an Offerup posting with poor quality photo.
Anyone ID the frame? Looks like its all chrome. Downtube shifters. Cranks might be of a quality make. Maybe a road bike modified as a cruising machine.
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Originally Posted by vintagerando View Post
This is an Offerup posting with poor quality photo.
Anyone ID the frame? Looks like its all chrome. Downtube shifters. Cranks might be of a quality make. Maybe a road bike modified as a cruising machine.
Anyone recognize it?



Looks like braze-on cable guide on on the chain stay. Forged rear drop outs.
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Rusty as hell. Do not want.
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Looks like campy rear d... suntour superbe pedals. Probably worth looking at if itís cheap enough.
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I can't identify the frame but the rear derailleur appears to be first generation Campagnolo Athena and the front looks like it could be (Nuovo) Record.
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We can narrow it down a bit: It is not a chrome Paramount (RD cable stop is wrong) or a chrome Raleigh Pro (fork crown is wrong).

That cable stop/guide combo may be the best indicator. I'm not convinced it's one of those stamped steel guides like a UO-8/PX10 either (but it might), so I'm not willing to say "It's French!" - yet.

Always worth it to take a look at something like this though. Depending on the price, the RD and group may be worth the trip.

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We can narrow it down a bit: It is not a chrome Paramount (RD cable stop is wrong) or a chrome Raleigh Pro (fork crown is wrong).

That cable stop/guide combo may be the best indicator. I'm not convinced it's one of those stamped steel guides like a UO-8/PX10 either (but it might), so I'm not willing to say "It's French!" - yet.

Always worth it to take a look at something like this though. Depending on the price, the RD and group may be worth the trip.

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Thanks for response. I think its worth a look. The asking price is $20. Gotta be $20 worth of parts there; and always the possibility the seller has more stuff.
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Looks like campy rear d... suntour superbe pedals. Probably worth looking at if itís cheap enough.
yeah, I noticed the pedals. My first thought was Suntour as well. Its super cheap, so I think I will go take a look.
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Originally Posted by vintagerando View Post
Thanks for response. I think its worth a look. The asking price is $20. Gotta be $20 worth of parts there; and always the possibility the seller has more stuff.
Stop asking questions and go get it.

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I have no idea on the cranks. Looks like there may be a chain guard or something there.
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Originally Posted by vintagerando View Post
I have no idea on the cranks. Looks like there may be a chain guard or something there.
110bcd. Probably one of these Shimano triples minus the inner ring:

FC-B124
VeloBase.com - Component: Shimano FC-B124, Biopace Touring Triple

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$20? Why are you even asking questions?
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Cyclone pedals methinks, worth $20. CODA brakes?
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Originally Posted by vintagerando View Post
yeah, I noticed the pedals. My first thought was Suntour as well. Its super cheap, so I think I will go take a look.
The pedals look more like Cyclone (or the MKS analog to Cyclone pedals) than Superbe. But still, for $20 it's hard to go wrong.
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Please do follow up on this story. As others noted, that bike is obviously well worth the price of admission.
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Please do follow up on this story. As others noted, that bike is obviously well worth the price of admission.
Yep...and I'll buy it for $20 if he doesn't want it

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Yep...and I'll buy it for $20 if he doesn't want it

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I picked up this bike in question. Unfortunately, it is worse than I thought. In addition to the rust, looks like a very slight bend in the top tube. Fork looks original.
Well, its in a sad state. Here it is:










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Here are some more pics.
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I just knew those were Nervex Pros in the pic, but didn't have the guts to say it from some pixelated pictures.

That's not just anything either; those Nervex lugs were filed beautifully and the edge lips removed from them when this frame was built. What type of BB threads? As much as I want to say "possibly French," those cable stops look like the ones that Raleigh used in bulk, and thus I'll edge towards it being a bespoke English build.

I bet it'd clean up after a molasses bath. All but that spot next to the shift lever appears to be surface.

Where's the bend in the TT?

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Many of the component are shot. RD and FD are seized. Pedals are Suntour Cyclone; still spin. Miraculously, the seatpost came right out, and stem came right out.
The Campy FD is interesting; there is a cable built into the clamp that attaches to the seat tube. Campy shifters are still working and usable. Wheels are un-usable. One hub it Maillard and the other I cannot identify.

I still haven't ID the frame, but also haven't have a chance to research much.
If you recognize the frame, let me know.
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I just knew those were Nervex Pros in the pic, but didn't have the guts to say it from some pixelated pictures.

That's not just anything either; those Nervex lugs were filed beautifully and the edge lips removed from them when this frame was built. What type of BB threads? As much as I want to say "possibly French," those cable stops look like the ones that Raleigh used in bulk, and thus I'll edge towards it being a bespoke English build.

I bet it'd clean up after a molasses bath. All but that spot next to the shift lever appears to be surface.

Where's the bend in the TT?

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I'll will get a pic of the top tube and down tube. I hope its not too far gone.
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Many of the component are shot. RD and FD are seized. Pedals are Suntour Cyclone; still spin. Miraculously, the seatpost came right out, and stem came right out.
The Campy FD is interesting; there is a cable built into the clamp that attaches to the seat tube. Campy shifters are still working and usable. Wheels are un-usable. One hub it Maillard and the other I cannot identify.

I still haven't ID the frame, but also haven't have a chance to research much.
If you recognize the frame, let me know.
You mean the FD has a built-in cable stop? That's a Record FD, predating Nuovo. Pretty hard to find and used to be worth something 10 years ago; might still be.

Dumped the RD and FD in penetrating oil and hope for the best. If you plan on getting rid of the RD, let me know...I have never owned one of the Athenas and have been fascinated with it's execution: An angled and straight parallelogram RD. Probably shifts as bad as it sounds, but hey, someone's got to find it interesting.

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I'll will get a pic of the top tube and down tube. I hope its not too far gone.
Hope so. This looks like a custom frame, or at least one where a framebuilder took a lot of time to get the lugs right.

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Not very exact in presentation; tried to give perspective with the ruler. Very slight bend of 1 mm. Tubes are not wavy; can't feel anything with the finger, but its there.
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Here is the front hub. I cut it out of a very sorry looking rim. It looks like someone was riding the bike without tires; seriously, someone was likely riding it without a tire. The hub has a solid axle. The rear hub was a Maillard; completely shot. The freewheel is fused to the hub. No saving that.
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