The two "unusable" gears.
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I know times have changed, but in my bike shop mechanic days we made sure every bike could hit every gear, and would have considered this set up "incorrect". Personally, I would never ride a bike that could lock up a chain by accidentally shifting in to a bad gear combo.
Agree. A tired rider could definitely shift into this combo. If the bike's moving fast enough, locking up the chain is going to break something and it will be expensive.
The person you two are responding to has a triple crank with a 42t big, 22t small, and 11-40 cassette. I would guess that the chain was drooping in the smallest ring and smaller cogs. I think I'd rather have that than run the risk of damaging the drivetrain. If you need the small chainring, then chances are you'll need the bigger cogs anyway, and a drooping chain is not fatal.
The person you two are responding to has a triple crank with a 42t big, 22t small, and 11-40 cassette. I would guess that the chain was drooping in the smallest ring and smaller cogs. I think I'd rather have that than run the risk of damaging the drivetrain. If you need the small chainring, then chances are you'll need the bigger cogs anyway, and a drooping chain is not fatal.
It is a valid point that some shop workers can't conceive of anything outside the box and usually respond to such ideas as wrong or impossible for a few reasons. Some people probably never do more than look at and work on stock bikes and stock parts and don't experiment. Shimano says you can't run a 36T cassette on a XT derailer but it's actually common and I could even run a 40 on mine.
Old time shop workers also probably did not see the ratios that can be achieved today. If you focused on road bikes they usually had sprockets in the 11-28 range and double chainrings in the 50-30 range. Old school mtb's usually had stock clusters like 11-34 and triple chainrings in the 46-26 range. Even today the stock high range cassette is 11-36. A 40T cassette cog was not common nor was a 22 chainring. When would one ever have the chance to try a wide range scenario?
Today the clusters are edging 11-50, usually with single chainrings but 11-40 on compact doubles isn't a stretch at all. Sure, if you want to stick with stock or common ratios you will avoid extremes but people today in gravel and off road are pushing the boundaries of wide ratios for some pretty adaptable configurations.
Last edited by Happy Feet; 08-27-19 at 10:33 PM.
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Cyclists will do what they want, I certainly do. However, you should at least be aware of the possible consequences.
Shimano instructions for their derailleurs still warn against cross-chaining. Sram instructions actually advertise cross-chaining as a feature benefit. Not sure about others as I haven’t researched them.
That being said, I’ve never experienced any issues while cross-chaining with Shimano Ultegra 6800 on my Specialized Roubaix, old friction shifters Suntour on a vintage Nishiki International, or a vintage Trek 930 MTB with Shimano Tiagra.
I don’t usually cross-chain on purpose, but I’ve often lost track of what gear I’m in. It happens.
Cycle on!
Shimano instructions for their derailleurs still warn against cross-chaining. Sram instructions actually advertise cross-chaining as a feature benefit. Not sure about others as I haven’t researched them.
That being said, I’ve never experienced any issues while cross-chaining with Shimano Ultegra 6800 on my Specialized Roubaix, old friction shifters Suntour on a vintage Nishiki International, or a vintage Trek 930 MTB with Shimano Tiagra.
I don’t usually cross-chain on purpose, but I’ve often lost track of what gear I’m in. It happens.
Cycle on!
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My bikes are set up to allow the big-big combo, as it's occasionally nice to go one gear lower without shifting to the small ring. That nicely pre-empts any concern about "what could happen" if I "accidentally" shifted to it.
That leaves the small-small, which is merely noisy if I get there by accident.
That leaves the small-small, which is merely noisy if I get there by accident.
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My bikes are set up to allow the big-big combo, as it's occasionally nice to go one gear lower without shifting to the small ring. That nicely pre-empts any concern about "what could happen" if I "accidentally" shifted to it.
That leaves the small-small, which is merely noisy if I get there by accident.
That leaves the small-small, which is merely noisy if I get there by accident.
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When I built up a mixte for my wife, I used a long-cage RD and threw a chain on without cutting it, and it works perfectly, even though it's longer than necessary for the gear range.
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