List of Schwinn Paramount Owners
05-18-06, 01:53 PM
#26
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Originally Posted by Mariner Fan
Scooper, I noticed a difference in frame sizes between your yellow bike and the chrome version. Do you ride them both?
Recently, I put the 38 cm bars and original stem back on, and keep it around for shorter friends to ride.
The chrome bike is a perfect fit for me (6' 0" with 35" inseam). It's the one I ride now.
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05-18-06, 02:24 PM
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Regarding the ownership of the name "Paramount", the book No Hands - The Rise and Fall of the Schwinn Bicycle Company, An American Institution has this to say in describing the terms of the sale of Schwinn assets to Zell-Chilmark during the 1993 bankruptcy:
The task of engineering the optimal payout to unsecured creditors fell to Kattens Mark Thomas, who worked to reduce the size of questionable claims and negotiated to get the best deals possible for the assets of the Schwinn Estate not picked up by Zell-Chilmark. One of those unwanted holdings was Schwinn's Paramount machine shop in Waterford, Wisconsin. Shortly after the close of the Zell-Chilmark deal, the estate sold the Paramount Design Group to Richard Schwinn, who is forging his own path in the bike business. Richard and partners George Garner and former Schwinn designer Marc Muller paid $145,000 for the subsidiary that hand-crafted bikes. Yet even Richard cannot lay claim to the family's famed Paramount brand. The Zell Group owns that name, too. Garner bailed out one year after the purchase, following disagreements with Richard. Ed's younger brother - the only Schwinn left in the bicycle manufacturing business - must make the diminished enterprise spin with a new handle, Waterford Precision Cycles.
The name "Paramount" was a Schwinn asset given to Zell-Chilmark, and unless somehow reacquired by Richard Schwinn/Waterford in the past 13 years, now belongs to Dorel Industries, parent of Pacific Cycle.
The task of engineering the optimal payout to unsecured creditors fell to Kattens Mark Thomas, who worked to reduce the size of questionable claims and negotiated to get the best deals possible for the assets of the Schwinn Estate not picked up by Zell-Chilmark. One of those unwanted holdings was Schwinn's Paramount machine shop in Waterford, Wisconsin. Shortly after the close of the Zell-Chilmark deal, the estate sold the Paramount Design Group to Richard Schwinn, who is forging his own path in the bike business. Richard and partners George Garner and former Schwinn designer Marc Muller paid $145,000 for the subsidiary that hand-crafted bikes. Yet even Richard cannot lay claim to the family's famed Paramount brand. The Zell Group owns that name, too. Garner bailed out one year after the purchase, following disagreements with Richard. Ed's younger brother - the only Schwinn left in the bicycle manufacturing business - must make the diminished enterprise spin with a new handle, Waterford Precision Cycles.
The name "Paramount" was a Schwinn asset given to Zell-Chilmark, and unless somehow reacquired by Richard Schwinn/Waterford in the past 13 years, now belongs to Dorel Industries, parent of Pacific Cycle.
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05-18-06, 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by alanbikehouston
Subtract from your list the owners of REAL Motobecanes, made by an actual bike company in France. Subtract the posts from "newbies" who registered after you started your list, post on your thread, and disappear. (Just how many new member names have YOU created in the past month?)
What is left? Less than thirty folks own one of the BikesDirect bikes with Motobecane stickers put on them. Less than thirty, out of the thousand of REAL members of BikeForums (real members being those people who post on threads that are not advertisements for BikesDirect).
You post almost every day in your effort to keep a BikesDirect product on Page One of "Road Cycling". Perhaps you think that having an ad on Page One will sell some bikes for BikesDirect.
Instead, you are drawing attention to the fact that this brand has fewer actual customers than chilli pepper flavored breath mints.
What is left? Less than thirty folks own one of the BikesDirect bikes with Motobecane stickers put on them. Less than thirty, out of the thousand of REAL members of BikeForums (real members being those people who post on threads that are not advertisements for BikesDirect).
You post almost every day in your effort to keep a BikesDirect product on Page One of "Road Cycling". Perhaps you think that having an ad on Page One will sell some bikes for BikesDirect.
Instead, you are drawing attention to the fact that this brand has fewer actual customers than chilli pepper flavored breath mints.
P.S. I started posting just because of you and so have many others. I bet if you kept your flytrap shut and stopped bashing our bikes the posts might die down, but you keep them active. I update the Motobecane list when someone new requests to be added and it just keeps growing.
05-18-06, 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Scooper
Regarding the ownership of the name "Paramount", the book No Hands - The Rise and Fall of the Schwinn Bicycle Company, An American Institution has this to say in describing the terms of the sale of Schwinn assets to Zell-Chilmark during the 1993 bankruptcy:
The task of engineering the optimal payout to unsecured creditors fell to Kattens Mark Thomas, who worked to reduce the size of questionable claims and negotiated to get the best deals possible for the assets of the Schwinn Estate not picked up by Zell-Chilmark. One of those unwanted holdings was Schwinn's Paramount machine shop in Waterford, Wisconsin. Shortly after the close of the Zell-Chilmark deal, the estate sold the Paramount Design Group to Richard Schwinn, who is forging his own path in the bike business. Richard and partners George Garner and former Schwinn designer Marc Muller paid $145,000 for the subsidiary that hand-crafted bikes. Yet even Richard cannot lay claim to the family's famed Paramount brand. The Zell Group owns that name, too. Garner bailed out one year after the purchase, following disagreements with Richard. Ed's younger brother - the only Schwinn left in the bicycle manufacturing business - must make the diminished enterprise spin with a new handle, Waterford Precision Cycles.
The name "Paramount" was a Schwinn asset given to Zell-Chilmark, and unless somehow reacquired by Richard Schwinn/Waterford in the past 13 years, now belongs to Dorel Industries, parent of Pacific Cycle.
The task of engineering the optimal payout to unsecured creditors fell to Kattens Mark Thomas, who worked to reduce the size of questionable claims and negotiated to get the best deals possible for the assets of the Schwinn Estate not picked up by Zell-Chilmark. One of those unwanted holdings was Schwinn's Paramount machine shop in Waterford, Wisconsin. Shortly after the close of the Zell-Chilmark deal, the estate sold the Paramount Design Group to Richard Schwinn, who is forging his own path in the bike business. Richard and partners George Garner and former Schwinn designer Marc Muller paid $145,000 for the subsidiary that hand-crafted bikes. Yet even Richard cannot lay claim to the family's famed Paramount brand. The Zell Group owns that name, too. Garner bailed out one year after the purchase, following disagreements with Richard. Ed's younger brother - the only Schwinn left in the bicycle manufacturing business - must make the diminished enterprise spin with a new handle, Waterford Precision Cycles.
The name "Paramount" was a Schwinn asset given to Zell-Chilmark, and unless somehow reacquired by Richard Schwinn/Waterford in the past 13 years, now belongs to Dorel Industries, parent of Pacific Cycle.
But, if any of us ever see a "Schwinn Paramount" at Wal-Mart, we would recognize it as a fake. There is only one real Schwinn making top quality road bikes, and that is Richard Schwinn at Waterford Bikes.
05-18-06, 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by alanbikehouston
But, if any of us ever see a "Schwinn Paramount" at Wal-Mart, we would recognize it as a fake. There is only one real Schwinn making top quality road bikes, and that is Richard Schwinn at Waterford Bikes.
05-18-06, 10:35 PM
#31
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Originally Posted by DLH
If you checked the list, I made it clear of whom has a "Real" Motobecane and who has a BD Motobecane and any other forum members. All of the members post in other places and you can request to have the administrator to check by IP addresses if one member is creating multiple usernames. You will find that your theory is incorrect. Like I said before you can not do math. By the way what bike or bikes do you own? Post pics for us.
P.S. I started posting just because of you and so have many others. I bet if you kept your flytrap shut and stopped bashing our bikes the posts might die down, but you keep them active. I update the Motobecane list when someone new requests to be added and it just keeps growing.
P.S. I started posting just because of you and so have many others. I bet if you kept your flytrap shut and stopped bashing our bikes the posts might die down, but you keep them active. I update the Motobecane list when someone new requests to be added and it just keeps growing.
BTW a troll by definition is someone who comes into an established community such as an online discussion forum, and posts inflammatory, rude or offensive messages designed to intentionally annoy and antagonize the existing members or disrupt the flow of discussion as their only purpose. This is in fact exactly what he does in every thread that mentions anything about bikes from SE Asia. Notice I said SE Asia, this troll will interpret that as someone not knowing the difference between Taiwan, and China. The only way a troll goes away is when he is ignored.
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05-18-06, 10:47 PM
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Originally Posted by WheresWaldo
...a troll by definition is someone who comes into an established community such as an online discussion forum, and posts inflammatory, rude or offensive messages designed to intentionally annoy and antagonize the existing members or disrupt the flow of discussion as their only purpose...
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05-19-06, 06:02 AM
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very nice bike, but get the reflecotrs off
05-19-06, 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh
very nice bike, but get the reflecotrs off
05-19-06, 06:56 AM
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I've got an early 90's Waterford Paramount mountain bike. Does that count? 
It's been to hell and back and looks like it too but It's still a great bike.
It's been to hell and back and looks like it too but It's still a great bike.
05-19-06, 06:59 AM
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Originally Posted by crazyb
They are ugly aren't they? These pics were taken last fall the day I bought it. The reflectors came off after a lot of thought. I got the bike in pristine from the factory condition, including all original parts and components, including tires and tubes, and reflectors. But they were just to ugly to keep on the bike.
05-19-06, 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh
I'd hang on to them, just in case you ever want to sell it in exactly the condition it came from the factory, easy to throw back on.
05-20-06, 12:40 AM
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here is my '67 paramount track bike...the paint and decals are pretty banged up, but I'm just going to ride it.
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05-20-06, 02:46 PM
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my paramount daily driver
10-30-11, 10:54 AM
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... and I'd sell it to you if it weren't on "permanent loan" to my niece.
How did you find this five year old thread?
How did you find this five year old thread?
10-30-11, 12:41 PM
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Okay, nobody specified vintage. So here's my 2010 Paramount Series 9.
10-30-11, 09:05 PM
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10-30-11, 11:52 PM
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10-31-11, 07:52 AM
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With ABH, this thread is a walk down memory lane.
Perhaps someone could bump a platform pedals thread.
Perhaps someone could bump a platform pedals thread.
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10-31-11, 12:49 PM
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