Retro roadies- old frames with STI's or Ergos
12-23-23, 05:07 AM
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Genius was one of thebest tubing of its time
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12-23-23, 02:41 PM
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As of about 1 month ago, it wasn't even being sold. It was barely even being spec'd on oem builds.
It's started to be sold though. Universal Cylcss has a Sword cassette and crank, but not derailleurs or shifters.
I hope that group is a success. The 2x10 at a good price will be really cool.
It's started to be sold though. Universal Cylcss has a Sword cassette and crank, but not derailleurs or shifters.
I hope that group is a success. The 2x10 at a good price will be really cool.
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12-23-23, 05:29 PM
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I looked up MicroShift Sword group on AliExpress, $240 for shifter, rear derailleur & 10 Apr cassette.
I think I will give it a try for my next build.
I think I will give it a try for my next build.
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12-23-23, 06:26 PM
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Old Giordana Frame ,new parts and upgrade to gravel .
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12-23-23, 06:39 PM
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As of about 1 month ago, it wasn't even being sold. It was barely even being spec'd on oem builds.
It's started to be sold though. Universal Cylcss has a Sword cassette and crank, but not derailleurs or shifters.
I hope that group is a success. The 2x10 at a good price will be really cool.
It's started to be sold though. Universal Cylcss has a Sword cassette and crank, but not derailleurs or shifters.
I hope that group is a success. The 2x10 at a good price will be really cool.
Very reasonable indeed! I haven't read up on much, but does anyone know how well their cable pull ratio pairs with Shimano cassettes? Or did they develop their own proprietary standards.
12-24-23, 02:37 PM
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It may be that cable pull ratio on the derailleur is different from Shimano, Campy or SRAM.
12-25-23, 05:42 AM
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11 and 12 speed are close enough that they are cross compatible
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12-25-23, 08:01 AM
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I do wonder if microshift will be the mechanical groupset of the future as everyone else abandons it. Sword seems to be a big commitment (as least for the moment) to this niche.
Very reasonable indeed! I haven't read up on much, but does anyone know how well their cable pull ratio pairs with Shimano cassettes? Or did they develop their own proprietary standards.
Very reasonable indeed! I haven't read up on much, but does anyone know how well their cable pull ratio pairs with Shimano cassettes? Or did they develop their own proprietary standards.
01-02-24, 12:11 PM
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01-03-24, 12:48 AM
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01-04-24, 02:57 AM
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I changed out my 9-speed down tube shifters for a Shimergo setup and now my '84 Trek 620 gets to be in this club! The impetus for this was keeping (yet upgrading) a recently-acquired '83 Trek 560 in it's original layout. So it got the taller gearing for increased downhill capability and enjoyment and I got to put on 9/10-speed Campy Ergo shifters on a bike again.
I'd scored a pair of really nice 9-speed (old pull ratio) Daytona Ergos a long while back, and a 10-speed Chorus long cage rear derailleur for a song more recently. Old-pull 9 shifting plus new-pull 10-speed derailleur actuation calcs out to 8-speed Shimano cassette spacing. And since a Campy triple front derailleur can't hack my very-inset Shimano triple, the Suntour Blueline remains. Front and rear shifting is that lovely Campy style and is only sullied slightly by that other occasional endearing Campagnolo feature: broken or worn internal parts that need replacing. The vertical post of the G-spring carrier is broken, so while it allows full shifting with great feel, I can use either lever to essentially (and accidentally) "trim" the rear derailleur while in gear. Not good for reliable shifting!
Between the more convenient shifting, more supportive and comfortable brake levers, and greater brake leverage, the 620 is a delight--a surprise improvement over an already good/great bike.
I'd scored a pair of really nice 9-speed (old pull ratio) Daytona Ergos a long while back, and a 10-speed Chorus long cage rear derailleur for a song more recently. Old-pull 9 shifting plus new-pull 10-speed derailleur actuation calcs out to 8-speed Shimano cassette spacing. And since a Campy triple front derailleur can't hack my very-inset Shimano triple, the Suntour Blueline remains. Front and rear shifting is that lovely Campy style and is only sullied slightly by that other occasional endearing Campagnolo feature: broken or worn internal parts that need replacing. The vertical post of the G-spring carrier is broken, so while it allows full shifting with great feel, I can use either lever to essentially (and accidentally) "trim" the rear derailleur while in gear. Not good for reliable shifting!
Between the more convenient shifting, more supportive and comfortable brake levers, and greater brake leverage, the 620 is a delight--a surprise improvement over an already good/great bike.
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01-08-24, 02:55 AM
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I changed out my 9-speed down tube shifters for a Shimergo setup and now my '84 Trek 620 gets to be in this club! The impetus for this was keeping (yet upgrading) a recently-acquired '83 Trek 560 in it's original layout. So it got the taller gearing for increased downhill capability and enjoyment and I got to put on 9/10-speed Campy Ergo shifters on a bike again.
I'd scored a pair of really nice 9-speed (old pull ratio) Daytona Ergos a long while back, and a 10-speed Chorus long cage rear derailleur for a song more recently. Old-pull 9 shifting plus new-pull 10-speed derailleur actuation calcs out to 8-speed Shimano cassette spacing. And since a Campy triple front derailleur can't hack my very-inset Shimano triple, the Suntour Blueline remains. Front and rear shifting is that lovely Campy style and is only sullied slightly by that other occasional endearing Campagnolo feature: broken or worn internal parts that need replacing. The vertical post of the G-spring carrier is broken, so while it allows full shifting with great feel, I can use either lever to essentially (and accidentally) "trim" the rear derailleur while in gear. Not good for reliable shifting!
Between the more convenient shifting, more supportive and comfortable brake levers, and greater brake leverage, the 620 is a delight--a surprise improvement over an already good/great bike.
I'd scored a pair of really nice 9-speed (old pull ratio) Daytona Ergos a long while back, and a 10-speed Chorus long cage rear derailleur for a song more recently. Old-pull 9 shifting plus new-pull 10-speed derailleur actuation calcs out to 8-speed Shimano cassette spacing. And since a Campy triple front derailleur can't hack my very-inset Shimano triple, the Suntour Blueline remains. Front and rear shifting is that lovely Campy style and is only sullied slightly by that other occasional endearing Campagnolo feature: broken or worn internal parts that need replacing. The vertical post of the G-spring carrier is broken, so while it allows full shifting with great feel, I can use either lever to essentially (and accidentally) "trim" the rear derailleur while in gear. Not good for reliable shifting!
Between the more convenient shifting, more supportive and comfortable brake levers, and greater brake leverage, the 620 is a delight--a surprise improvement over an already good/great bike.
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01-08-24, 03:05 AM
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That is a heck of a beautiful bike. The beautiful chromovelato finish reminds me of the early Wiliers. The whitewall Continentals are the icing on the cake. 👏👏👏
01-08-24, 01:02 PM
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03-20-24, 05:40 AM
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New season, new look))
Campagnolo Chorus 9S -> Shimano Ultegra 11S.
Campagnolo Chorus 9S -> Shimano Ultegra 11S.
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03-20-24, 03:45 PM
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Man, I wish my Trek 2300 looked as cool as that!
John
PS I'm sure someone with your fine taste and high style doesn't want that old, rubbish Chorus group cluttering up your home so just PM for my address and I will help you declutter (I will even spring for shipping 'cause that's just the kind of guy I am).
John
PS I'm sure someone with your fine taste and high style doesn't want that old, rubbish Chorus group cluttering up your home so just PM for my address and I will help you declutter (I will even spring for shipping 'cause that's just the kind of guy I am).
03-21-24, 02:31 AM
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Man, I wish my Trek 2300 looked as cool as that!
John
PS I'm sure someone with your fine taste and high style doesn't want that old, rubbish Chorus group cluttering up your home so just PM for my address and I will help you declutter (I will even spring for shipping 'cause that's just the kind of guy I am).
John
PS I'm sure someone with your fine taste and high style doesn't want that old, rubbish Chorus group cluttering up your home so just PM for my address and I will help you declutter (I will even spring for shipping 'cause that's just the kind of guy I am).
03-21-24, 02:50 AM
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Very nice, ride in good health! I prefer the shape of modern Campy levers and style of components over Shimano but like your example, I have been modernizing most of the bikes in my rotation to modern 11/12-speed.
I am currently working on the restoration and rebuild of a late 80s/early 90s Picchio with 11-speed SR/Athena. I am leaning towards a classic wheelset but that carbon wheelset looks very nice. May I ask what they are?
I am currently working on the restoration and rebuild of a late 80s/early 90s Picchio with 11-speed SR/Athena. I am leaning towards a classic wheelset but that carbon wheelset looks very nice. May I ask what they are?
03-21-24, 03:45 AM
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Very nice, ride in good health! I prefer the shape of modern Campy levers and style of components over Shimano but like your example, I have been modernizing most of the bikes in my rotation to modern 11/12-speed.
I am currently working on the restoration and rebuild of a late 80s/early 90s Picchio with 11-speed SR/Athena. I am leaning towards a classic wheelset but that carbon wheelset looks very nice. May I ask what they are?
I am currently working on the restoration and rebuild of a late 80s/early 90s Picchio with 11-speed SR/Athena. I am leaning towards a classic wheelset but that carbon wheelset looks very nice. May I ask what they are?
Wheels are from AliExpress: Powerway R36 hubs, 38 mm rims are tubeless ready without holes for nipples.
https://aliexpress.ru/item/100500325...394.1711013915
I had a wheelset with Campa hubs, but as they weren't serviced regularly by the previous owners, they had play that I don't like, so I found Easton EA70. You can find my photo on these wheels in this thread 😉
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03-21-24, 05:24 AM
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Found a gap in my collection that needed to be filled. 
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03-21-24, 09:50 AM
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