Aluminum vs. Steel - Comfort
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As far as I am aware, the differences in price between the different groupssts is really the biggest difference. They are all built to a good standard and perform commendably across the board. The only real difference between today's low end equipment versus vintage stuff is that today's should be avoided .
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I used this example last week at dinner and my 10yo argued over and over that the bricks are heavier. My 14yo was losing her mind with frustration.
Finally after I explained it for 8th time, my 10yo said 'ok yes I know they weigh the same, but they are different and tthe bricks will feel heavier when they hit me.'
Couldn't really argue with that.
Finally after I explained it for 8th time, my 10yo said 'ok yes I know they weigh the same, but they are different and tthe bricks will feel heavier when they hit me.'
Couldn't really argue with that.
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Oh yeah, me trying to explain density vs weight woulda been met with a firm WTF, if she knew that phrase.
This is a strong BF thread- an initial post that is vague and seems like a hypothetical exercise in the valuation of choice, a side discussion on physics, and then a bunch of replies to someone who doesnt fully understand what they are commenting on.
This is a strong BF thread- an initial post that is vague and seems like a hypothetical exercise in the valuation of choice, a side discussion on physics, and then a bunch of replies to someone who doesnt fully understand what they are commenting on.
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I'm jumping over a lot of posts ... but the point was made right away, there's not enough info in the OP.
That said, as a rider that has a couple AL frames, a couple steel (& N+1 for '21 will be carbon). I've ridden/raced 1,000s of miles on gravel and here's my thoughts on AL vs steel:
That said, as a rider that has a couple AL frames, a couple steel (& N+1 for '21 will be carbon). I've ridden/raced 1,000s of miles on gravel and here's my thoughts on AL vs steel:
- Tires are more important to comfort than frame material
- Bike fit is more important to comfort than frame material
- AL is stiffer and causes more fatigue ... but
- All materials can be "tuned" to be "comfortable" or "stiff" (IMHO stiff frames are the opposite of comfortable frames)
- All other things being equal, I've pick a bike on the groupset over frame material
- My gravel bikes of choice are both steel frame
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Y'all can just put this person on your ignore list, unless you like to see poorly informed opinions that annoy you.
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Its the same crowd of guys on here trolling me for apparently disagreeing on perfectly valid points completely related to whatever it is just said. I hope all of you guys put me into your ignore list so I don't have to do it myself, and therefore never read any of your nonsensical complaints ever again. Thanks.
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As far as I am aware, the differences in price between the different groupssts is really the biggest difference. They are all built to a good standard and perform commendably across the board. The only real difference between today's low end equipment versus vintage stuff is that today's should be avoided .
You guys are the biggest trolls
You guys are the biggest trolls
And an important consideration, the feathers really will feel better.
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You are not aware. Some low end parts can be really suck. Further tiagra isn't truly low end, there's 3 groupsets below and above it;i isn't an amazing group but it is a decent, reliable group. The sram group is of similar quality. Both would be better than vintage items of similar levels, though I'd still take a tiagra groupset over a record groupset from 1980 for my every day, ride anywhere bike. I'd take that record group on a DeRosa for my occasional ride bike.
And an important consideration, the feathers really will feel better.
And an important consideration, the feathers really will feel better.
I am simply stating whatever I read online about shimanos road groupset hierarchy.
I would choose my 40 year old suntour derailer over any low end shimano stuff. I find that the derailer tensions the chain better which keeps it from slapping about the chainstay and they are reliable as a brick. Has held up far better than my low-mid range alivio after only 14 years.