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Old 01-10-21, 06:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Leisesturm View Post
But did he really? We only have the o.p.'s word for it. Word that is suspect IMO because they have a cager mentality even though they use the fact that they may have owned a bicycle once, maybe even know how to ride one, they use their insider status to attempt changing what they see as a scofflaw culture. To a cager every intersection looks like cyclist anarchy. In reality ... nothing of the sort. In my younger days I ... oh man ... even in middle age ... in NYC ... you run more lights and stop signs than you stop for. Here in PDX the cagers go ballistic if they see a cyclist blow a light. I don't do it nearly as much here. It's just not worth it. But the drivers here still think all cyclists do is run red lights. Nope. Cyclists here are ANGELS compared to what I've seen and known back east.
I'm not some guy that just signed on here to b**ch about a cyclists. Do you really think someone that's been on here for over a decade is here just to bad-mouth cyclists


Look at my history of posts and you'll see I've been cycling for over 30-years and I've even explain how I got started in cycling and I've had numerous posts on various aspects of riding.

You'll even see I've done several loaded touring trips...I'm not trolling



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Originally Posted by work4bike View Post
I'm not some guy that just signed on here to b**ch about a cyclists. Do you really think someone that's been on here for over a decade is here just to bad-mouth cyclists


Look at my history of posts and you'll see I've been cycling for over 30-years and I've even explain how I got started in cycling and I've had numerous posts on various aspects of riding.

You'll even see I've done several loaded touring trips...I'm not trolling



He doesn't care. He is here to be adversarial and to pick fights. Look at his post history.
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Old 01-10-21, 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Leisesturm View Post
Might I observe that 'only' around 800 plus-ish cyclists were killed last year in any kind of collision with cars vs 40,000 plus-ish fatal car/car collisions. I have NEVER heard of a scofflaw cyclist being nailed, dead to rights, while committing a flagrant violation of a stop sign. When cyclists are hit they are proceeding on a green light or otherwise have right of way. I'm tired of these BS threads about cyclists 'blowing stop signs'. Well, duh, I'm not claiming they don't. What I don't believe is that they didn't scan and know that they were safe before doing it. I don't expect to change any minds but at least this thread is going to have some push back from the cyclist side, as it should, in a cycling forum!
A safety tip here. If your route take you thru and intersection to the diagonal corner, go thru the intersection in a clock wise route. That lets you face the on coming traffic, and eliminates drivers turning right on red behind you.
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Old 01-10-21, 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul Barnard View Post
He doesn't care. He is here to be adversarial and to pick fights. Look at his post history.
Please do look at my post history. I'll bet you haven't. You see a couple of posts you don't agree with and you're off to the races ...
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Old 01-10-21, 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by work4bike View Post
I'm not some guy that just signed on here to b**ch about a cyclists. Do you really think someone that's been on here for over a decade is here just to bad-mouth cyclists
Then why this thread?
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Old 01-10-21, 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul Barnard View Post
I doubt "blowing" through stops is as common or as wanton as is often described. If it was, we'd read of more crashes and fatalities. As it is, I very rarely here of a collision where the cyclist has blown through a stop. I suspect someone somewhere has watched me roll a stop and thought I "blew" it.
Isn't that what I said? Why for you throw me under the bus of being needlessly argumentative? Contradict yourself much?
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Old 01-10-21, 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by alo View Post
In Australia there are no four-way stops. One road always has right of way. Australia got rid of four-way stops around the 1970s. Someone in America should be smart enough to think this through and change the rules.
They're adding more where I live. One near me was turned into a 4 way a few years back after a fatal crash.
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Old 01-10-21, 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Leisesturm View Post
What I don't believe is that they didn't scan and know that they were safe before doing it.
Meh, you're in denial! I was in the passenger seat when it was my wife's turn to proceed at a 4 way stop. As she started out, some dope on a bike flew between the 2 lanes filled with cars to our left at about 25 MPH taking his chances and clearly did not see my wife. Luckily she slammed on the brakes almost putting us both through the windshield or there would have been one more idiot cyclist blaming traffic for his death. I don't know where you live, but here in California, there are all kinds of stupid riders that do stupid things that get them killed. A rider on a group ride recently almost got killed not figuring the opposite green light could be green while our arrow was red. There are plenty of cyclists who have no clue, don't fool yourself.
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Old 01-10-21, 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by redmandarin View Post
There are certain states in the US that allow an "Idaho stop" for cyclists. I think its a happy medium for safety and efficiency.
yes we have that here in Oregon. I only go through if there are no cars or bikes in the intersection. I still slow down before going through.
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Old 01-11-21, 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted by rydabent View Post
For every cyclist that doesnt stop for a stop sign, there must be 10 million drivers that dont.

Most of the driving offender blow thru a right turn on red AFTER STOPPING.
Most states I've lived in, turning right on a red is legal, after stopping.
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Old 01-12-21, 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Leisesturm View Post
Then why this thread?
Just one of my pet peeves, people acting entitled. Too many cyclists act entitled on their bikes. I see it all the time at stop signs where cyclists just roll thru stop signs and people have to stop for them.

The only reason I posted it this time is because this guy totally blew thru the intersection. I agree that most cyclists don't blow thru the stop signs, but it doesn't make it any less wrong than cyclists that roll thru, forcing others that had the Right-of-Way to stop. Although it definitely is more dangerous, which is why you don't see more doing it.

I've been thinking about this near-collision I had with this cyclists, since reading some of the comments, and I'm guessing that maybe he saw me, since I was in a white pick-up that he probably got a glimpse of over the bushes, whereas I had no chance of seeing him. I'm thinking he saw me and thought he had time to beat me across the intersection, but he simply miscalculated, probably his speed was a major factor in this miscalculation.

I know a lot of cyclists point to how motorists break laws and they seem to focus more on that, but I'd rather focus on our community correcting our problems, which would put us on much firmer ground to stand on when we do complain about motorists. I'm not bashing cyclists, rather I care more about the cycling community, since we are a minority that takes a lot of abuse.
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Old 01-12-21, 12:58 PM
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The single biggest issue I see - from both cyclists and drivers - is ignorance. A LOT of cyclists don't know that they are required to follow the rules of the road, (mostly) the same as a car. A LOT of drivers don't know that cyclists have (mostly) the same rights to the road as a car.
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Old 01-12-21, 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by work4bike View Post
Just one of my pet peeves, people acting entitled. Too many cyclists act entitled on their bikes. I see it all the time at stop signs where cyclists just roll thru stop signs and people have to stop for them.

The only reason I posted it this time is because this guy totally blew thru the intersection. I agree that most cyclists don't blow thru the stop signs, but it doesn't make it any less wrong than cyclists that roll thru, forcing others that had the Right-of-Way to stop. Although it definitely is more dangerous, which is why you don't see more doing it.

I've been thinking about this near-collision I had with this cyclists, since reading some of the comments, and I'm guessing that maybe he saw me, since I was in a white pick-up that he probably got a glimpse of over the bushes, whereas I had no chance of seeing him. I'm thinking he saw me and thought he had time to beat me across the intersection, but he simply miscalculated, probably his speed was a major factor in this miscalculation.

I know a lot of cyclists point to how motorists break laws and they seem to focus more on that, but I'd rather focus on our community correcting our problems, which would put us on much firmer ground to stand on when we do complain about motorists. I'm not bashing cyclists, rather I care more about the cycling community, since we are a minority that takes a lot of abuse.
Too many motorists act entitled in their cars. None of them have ever been killed by a cyclist. (To argue otherwise is completely disingenuous.)

Lots of cyclists are killed or maimed by motorists.

Motorists kill and maim other road users. Cyclists do not. This false equivalence needs to be addressed whenever mentioning "blowing a stop sign".
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Old 01-12-21, 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by ridelikeaturtle View Post
Motorists kill and maim other road users. Cyclists do not. This false equivalence needs to be addressed whenever mentioning "blowing a stop sign".
Another uninformed poster. Do a search on cyclists who have killed pedestrians.

Also think of how many cyclist have maimed themselves by blowing stop signs.

Just last night, after a poster stated the other day that cyclists know it is clear when they run signs, was another foolish comment. I've witnessed way too many events seeing this is a cyclist haven over here in SoCal. Last night, I was side by side with another car, just starting to proceed on a green light. Some idiot blows the red light at about 25 mph on a bicycle. He somewhat swerved but what saved his butt was the mercy I and the other driver showed with out vehicle handling skills. We were both able to stop on a dime and lucky for that idiot, we were paying attention and happened to notice the moron. No way did that guy know he was out of danger blowing the red light and if he really honestly did think so, then he is a fool and will soon pay for his stupidity.

Of course had either one of us hit the moron, we'd be accused on bike forums of being inattentive drivers while the real problem is another stupid cyclist putting himself in danger to save a few seconds. I've seen it way too many times on group rides as well. I'd rather split the group and stop than be one of the idiots who thinks running the red is a good thing to do.

Too many posters are fools to believe the things they say here. The case of a guy found dead on the side of the road a few years ago. 95% of posters were accusing a hit and run driver with no details. Then come to find out, the guy hit a grating, crashed and broke his neck.

Another bent rider, posted a video of some kid shouting at him as a car drove by. Then the rider chases them through town, signal after signal shouting and screaming at the driver and the kid. Then the bent rider posts the video on youtube about how the driver and kid harassed him and put his life into danger. I commented and he didn't like it at all. I mean, how is a kid shouting one word rolling by you in a car putting your life in danger? The fact you chased them across town was more of a danger to himself.

Amazing how many cyclists feel entitled then complain after something happens.

Riding with a group fairly often, I see too many cyclists that don't have a clue but yet will be the first to blame a driver for their lack of riding in traffic skills.

And here, another cyclists done kill anyone post. FYI, there was a poster that contacted me a couple of days ago doing a report on cyclists that have killed peds. Hope he completes it and posts it so that some of the uninformed cyclists here might gain a little knowledge and put a stop to the ignorance.
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Originally Posted by alo View Post
In Australia there are no four-way stops. One road always has right of way. Australia got rid of four-way stops around the 1970s. Someone in America should be smart enough to think this through and change the rules.
Nope. Last year my town converted several two-way stops to all-way stops, and the area is much safer. Two-way stops at the intersection of two high-traffic streets is not safe for pedestrians. Walking up I St., crossing 11th was scary; it's our main arterial, therefore wide and straight, encouraging speeding. The all-way stop encourages drivers to slow down as they approach the center of town, and makes it safe for people on foot and on bikes.
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Old 01-12-21, 04:10 PM
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I understand the general crankiness due to the ongoing lockdowns across the land. I do not understand taking out our frustrations on one another. If you are a road cyclist then other road cyclists are our brother and sisters in arms. Do not utter slander (or is it libel) against them. Has there ever been a cyclist who was careless or foolish on a particular day and time at a particular intersection or crossing? Of course. Could ANY cyclist make a habit of being this way? Of course NOT. S/he would QUICKLY be cut down en flagrante and that would be that. The widespread scofflaw behavior some of you see is all in your minds. Clarification: the behavior may be real. The practitioner is not as 'clueless' as you suppose.

NYC, Philadelphia, PA, Chicago, IL; Portland, OR; Seattle, WA; these. and a FEW other places in the U.S. are places where the average driver might see one or two cyclists per WEEK running a red light. At all. To see a cyclist running a red light such that a driver had to take emergency action to avoid hitting them. In those places it might happen one or two times per YEAR. Anywhere else in the U.S. and you simply don't have enough cyclists regularly riding in the street for scofflaw cycling to be an issue. This forum wouldn't be the place to reach them anyway. Y'all's preachin' to the choir up in here. You know it's bad when 20 something year old WOMEN blast past you through a standing red. Happens to me now and then, in Portland. When it does, I don't get mad at them. I cuss and fume at MYSELF for blowing an opportunity. It is a sure sign that I'm slipping. I feel better when I've put a couple of toasted stop signs behind on my own initiative. Try it. You'll feel much better.

P.S.next time you're pulling away from that fresh Green and a cyclist sails past in front of you ... DON'T panic. Don't even take your foot off the gas! It's all good. God's got you (and them) fully covered. I know it's hard but trust me on this. Only in action movies do people launch themselves into active intersections without scanning and survive. If it simply was their time and ... ... well, you can console yourself with this: the law can't lay a finger on you or make any claim against your insurance. Yes, you have entered a very small club (even smaller than the one you are in as a road cyclist) but at least when you come back here to tell us about it, it won't be speculation ... you will KNOW that you were right.

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Originally Posted by Korina View Post
Nope. Last year my town converted several two-way stops to all-way stops, and the area is much safer. Two-way stops at the intersection of two high-traffic streets is not safe for pedestrians. Walking up I St., crossing 11th was scary; it's our main arterial, therefore wide and straight, encouraging speeding. The all-way stop encourages drivers to slow down as they approach the center of town, and makes it safe for people on foot and on bikes.
In Australia, if they wanted people to slow down, they would put in a speed limit. Americans could learn from Australians on this issue.

In Australia, a stop sign means stop and give way. It seems by what others are saying, in America, you have to stop, but in some situations you don't have to give way. Is that a correct understanding of American laws?
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Originally Posted by Leisesturm View Post
...P.S.next time you're pulling away from that fresh Green and a cyclist sails past in front of you ... DON'T panic. Don't even take your foot off the gas! It's all good. God's got you (and them) fully covered. I know it's hard but trust me on this. Only in action movies do people launch themselves into active intersections without scanning and survive. If it simply was their time and ... ... well, you can console yourself with this: the law can't lay a finger on you or make any claim against your insurance. Yes, you have entered a very small club (even smaller than the one you are in as a road cyclist) but at least when you come back here to tell us about it, it won't be speculation ... you will KNOW that you were right.
And to add insult to injury, when you paralyze the guy, then you can sue him for causing damage to your car
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Some of what I'm hearing here is that since we're such a small minority and we don't have the same potential cause of injury with our puny bikes, it's ok to roll thru stop signs and cause others to slam on their brakes. Maybe they should take Leisesturm's advice....
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Originally Posted by alo View Post
In Australia, if they wanted people to slow down, they would put in a speed limit. Americans could learn from Australians on this issue.

In Australia, a stop sign means stop and give way. It seems by what others are saying, in America, you have to stop, but in some situations you don't have to give way. Is that a correct understanding of American laws?
Pedestrians have the right-of-way over everything (except horses, not an issue most places). In most states bicycles are legally traffic and have to follow the same rules as cars. In practice, drivers don't like to slow down if they don't absolutely have to, so the rest of us have to choose our battles. At a stop sign, cars are supposed to stop and let whoever's crossing cross, then they can go. Whether they do or not is up to the conscience of the driver.

We have speed limits, but it's been shown that drivers don't drive the speed limit, they drive as fast as they feel comfortable; and most city streets were designed for much higher speeds than what the signs say.
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Pedestrians have the right-of-way
At a stop sign, cars are supposed to stop and let whoever's crossing cross, then they can go. Whether they do or not is up to the conscience of the driver.
I see a problem.

Pedestrians have right of way. Drivers are supposed to stop and let them cross, but whether they do or not is up to the conscience of the driver.

So when drivers don't stop, pedestrians could get killed.

If they completely got rid of 4 way stops, then pedestrians have to wait until the road is clear of cars before crossing, the roads would be a lot safer for pedestrians, and faster for cars.

If there is a problem for pedestrians crossing, have a bridge over the road, or put in traffic lights.
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If they completely got rid of 4 way stops, then pedestrians have to wait until the road is clear of cars before crossing, the roads would be a lot safer for pedestrians, and faster for cars.

If there is a problem for pedestrians crossing, have a bridge over the road, or put in traffic lights.
That's a mighty long wait in some areas. And what if the people in that area aren't worth putting up a bridge for? Do you have any idea what pedestrian bridges cost? Clearly no. More traffic lights would slow drivers down even more than stop signs. Drivers should stop when necessary. More could than do. I'm going to get h8 for observing that, the data shows that drivers stop for members of their tribe, and hit members not of their tribe, at disproportionate rates. One study using professional stuntmen dressed like regular pedestrians showed a clear reluctance of drivers to get on the brakes quickly when they were called upon to stop for jaywalkers not of their tribe.
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Originally Posted by Leisesturm View Post
I'm going to get h8 for observing that, the data shows that drivers stop for members of their tribe, and hit members not of their tribe, at disproportionate rates. One study using professional stuntmen dressed like regular pedestrians showed a clear reluctance of drivers to get on the brakes quickly when they were called upon to stop for jaywalkers not of their tribe.
There may be a small proportion of arrogant drivers. But I think with the majority, pedestrians are not as visible as cars, and may not always be seen.

I would stop for pedestrians doing stupid things, but lean on the horn to warn them.

I am sometimes a pedestrian, sometimes a cyclist, and sometimes a driver. I don't feel anyone is not my tribe.
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Originally Posted by alo View Post
So when drivers don't stop, pedestrians could get killed.

....

or put in traffic lights.
because traffic lights magically stop disobedient drivers?

also instead of a pedestrian bridge, we can just ban walking all together. cars won't have to look out for peds ever again.
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because traffic lights magically stop disobedient drivers?

also instead of a pedestrian bridge, we can just ban walking all together. cars won't have to look out for peds ever again.
How about we ban cars? In large metro areas at the very least. Pedestrians have a 10,000 year head start. Cars have only been a thing since around 1920. People have been around since 10,000 B.C.
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