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Search disabled, time for dumb question: cassette life?
How long should, say, an Ultegra 12-27 cassette last? IIRC, it's on its second chain and is skipping a bit, after a total of, oh, say 4000-4500 miles. I clean and lube the chain fairly regularly. The chainrings have been on the bike forever.
I have a fresh chain and cassette on the way... just wondering if there's any hope for keeping the old stuff on any longer. Ultegra cassettes aren't cheap!
I have a fresh chain and cassette on the way... just wondering if there's any hope for keeping the old stuff on any longer. Ultegra cassettes aren't cheap!
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In my experience, I wore through an XT level cassette in about 1000 miles. Mind you, I'm a 'pusher' and not a 'spinner.' My boss even said so when he checked out my first worn out cassette, told me I push too hard a gear. YMMV.
I've been told by a few people "They take more material off the cogs and they'll wear faster" than a normal cassette if you push too hard a gear. I have no clue how true this is... I will say the Deore level cassette I used did seem to last longer.
I've been told by a few people "They take more material off the cogs and they'll wear faster" than a normal cassette if you push too hard a gear. I have no clue how true this is... I will say the Deore level cassette I used did seem to last longer.
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*blink* 1000 miles? I should consider myself lucky... Anyway, I ask only because I lived with a skippy cassette forever before, but have put together a pretty solid season for me (hence the 4000+ miles) so this is the first time I've had to change cassettes in such a short amount of time.
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Is it really skipping? Or something else (out of adjustment). Skipping will sound and feel like a big "ca-chunk", particularly when harder pressure is applied, such as when climbing or sprinting. Tends to happen more on smaller cogs because they wear faster, but would happen on any worn cogs (usually not all of them).
4000 seems pretty short especially if you've been diligent with keeping your chain clean and you're already on your second chain. But there's no magic formula for figuring out cassette life. It's possible it's worn out but just seems unlikely from what you described.
4000 seems pretty short especially if you've been diligent with keeping your chain clean and you're already on your second chain. But there's no magic formula for figuring out cassette life. It's possible it's worn out but just seems unlikely from what you described.
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I've concluded from all I've learned on these forums that there are two decent routes to take with chain/cassette wear:
1. Replace the chain when it has "stretched" beyond the acceptable range. This protects your expensive cassette and takes a bit of calculating and measuring.
2. Let the chain and cassette wear together indefinitely and replace both (and the chain rings as well, why not?) every decade or so.
I have a custom Seven (aka "The Golden Handcuffs") that I follow path 1 on and I have several ordinary bikes that I plan on using path 2 on. Before I got "into" bikes, I had a Kona Lavadome that had the same stock chain and cassette for 15 years. It never skipped. Not once. It was stolen and my bike fixation sprouted. I bet the cassette looked BAD!
As for miles before damage to cassette, are you a spinner? 3000? maybe 5000?
1. Replace the chain when it has "stretched" beyond the acceptable range. This protects your expensive cassette and takes a bit of calculating and measuring.
2. Let the chain and cassette wear together indefinitely and replace both (and the chain rings as well, why not?) every decade or so.
I have a custom Seven (aka "The Golden Handcuffs") that I follow path 1 on and I have several ordinary bikes that I plan on using path 2 on. Before I got "into" bikes, I had a Kona Lavadome that had the same stock chain and cassette for 15 years. It never skipped. Not once. It was stolen and my bike fixation sprouted. I bet the cassette looked BAD!
As for miles before damage to cassette, are you a spinner? 3000? maybe 5000?
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On higher level stuff, I'd say wear both till they go. On lower level stuff, I'd say wear it till the chain goes, then replace. the XT incident I described was precipitated by replacing the chain.... It was fine till I decided to do that.
For reference of being a 'pusher,' I weigh about 230 pounds. I'm athletic (I've hit about 30MPH on flat land on my road bike) but not an exceptional athlete or anything. It's just easier to put my weight on the pedals. So, I do put a LOT of wear on my cassettes.
For reference of being a 'pusher,' I weigh about 230 pounds. I'm athletic (I've hit about 30MPH on flat land on my road bike) but not an exceptional athlete or anything. It's just easier to put my weight on the pedals. So, I do put a LOT of wear on my cassettes.
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I've concluded from all I've learned on these forums that there are two decent routes to take with chain/cassette wear:
1. Replace the chain when it has "stretched" beyond the acceptable range. This protects your expensive cassette and takes a bit of calculating and measuring.
2. Let the chain and cassette wear together indefinitely and replace both (and the chain rings as well, why not?) every decade or so.
I have a custom Seven (aka "The Golden Handcuffs") that I follow path 1 on and I have several ordinary bikes that I plan on using path 2 on. Before I got "into" bikes, I had a Kona Lavadome that had the same stock chain and cassette for 15 years. It never skipped. Not once. It was stolen and my bike fixation sprouted. I bet the cassette looked BAD!
As for miles before damage to cassette, are you a spinner? 3000? maybe 5000?
1. Replace the chain when it has "stretched" beyond the acceptable range. This protects your expensive cassette and takes a bit of calculating and measuring.
2. Let the chain and cassette wear together indefinitely and replace both (and the chain rings as well, why not?) every decade or so.
I have a custom Seven (aka "The Golden Handcuffs") that I follow path 1 on and I have several ordinary bikes that I plan on using path 2 on. Before I got "into" bikes, I had a Kona Lavadome that had the same stock chain and cassette for 15 years. It never skipped. Not once. It was stolen and my bike fixation sprouted. I bet the cassette looked BAD!
As for miles before damage to cassette, are you a spinner? 3000? maybe 5000?
Same crank, but now I use method 1 and I haven't worn out a cassette/freewheel in over 3 years of use. Chains is cheap.
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Originally Posted by 'nother
Is it really skipping? Or something else (out of adjustment). Skipping will sound and feel like a big "ca-chunk", particularly when harder pressure is applied, such as when climbing or sprinting. Tends to happen more on smaller cogs because they wear faster, but would happen on any worn cogs (usually not all of them).
4000 seems pretty short especially if you've been diligent with keeping your chain clean and you're already on your second chain. But there's no magic formula for figuring out cassette life. It's possible it's worn out but just seems unlikely from what you described.
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Hmmm. I have a feeling that the shifting problems will definitely disappear with a new chain and cassette so I may bite the bullet and move on. I had a feeling that 4k miles was on the low side...
I have heard rules of thumb suggesting 2-6 chains/cassette 'w/ proper maintenance', whether that's 500 miles or 2500 per chain is another question entirely.
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Heh, that's the thing, I take off the cassette for a cleaning every couple of months. C'est la via, c'est la via...
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In case anybody is wondering what happened, I put on a fresh cassette and fresh chain, and it shifts perfectly now.
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Originally Posted by oboeguy
How long should, say, an Ultegra 12-27 cassette last? IIRC, it's on its second chain and is skipping a bit, after a total of, oh, say 4000-4500 miles. I clean and lube the chain fairly regularly. The chainrings have been on the bike forever.
I have a fresh chain and cassette on the way... just wondering if there's any hope for keeping the old stuff on any longer. Ultegra cassettes aren't cheap!
I have a fresh chain and cassette on the way... just wondering if there's any hope for keeping the old stuff on any longer. Ultegra cassettes aren't cheap!