Proper Etiquette When Owning A Vintage Bike
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Or, perhaps it is just the fixies and SS conversions that are discriminated against.
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Yet a restomod of a bicycle is a crime against humanity?
https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-v...i-s-ergos.html
Or, perhaps it is just the fixies and SS conversions that are discriminated against.
https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-v...i-s-ergos.html
Or, perhaps it is just the fixies and SS conversions that are discriminated against.
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I didn't mean to imply that you were for or against his use of the bike.
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Once, after yelling, "ON YOUR LEFT" twice to a lady walking her dog while wearing headphones, she decided to yell at me for not giving her and her dog warning that I was passing. I yelled back in her anger that she needs to remove her headphones so she can hear the world around her. At this point, her wearing the headphones seemed rather rude.
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Once, after yelling, "ON YOUR LEFT" twice to a lady walking her dog while wearing headphones, she decided to yell at me for not giving her and her dog warning that I was passing. I yelled back in her anger that she needs to remove her headphones so she can hear the world around her. At this point, her wearing the headphones seemed rather rude.
Buy a bell. That's the international signal. Buy one that is penetrating and has a long ring. That way, people can hear it and with the long ring, they can tell where the sound is coming from. Shouting into the wind to people forward of you means they will only hear you when you're almost next to them. Especially if they are moving too (wind in ears). Get a bell. You're not in the TdF.
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Once, after yelling, "ON YOUR LEFT" twice to a lady walking her dog while wearing headphones, she decided to yell at me for not giving her and her dog warning that I was passing. I yelled back in her anger that she needs to remove her headphones so she can hear the world around her. At this point, her wearing the headphones seemed rather rude.
In this spirit, I submit the following alternate storyline:
"Oh, I'm sorry, would you have preferred this? BRRRRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAP!"
Buy a bell. That's the international signal. Buy one that is penetrating and has a long ring. That way, people can hear it and with the long ring, they can tell where the sound is coming from. Shouting into the wind to people forward of you means they will only hear you when you're almost next to them. Especially if they are moving too (wind in ears). Get a bell. You're not in the TdF.
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Lets just say that my call outs, "on your left", are somewhat muffled this year. I use the bells now.
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It is not a tea cup the queen gave you so ride it like you want. That said for me anyway, and clearly not for you, I find some of your mentioned activities while riding too risky as the consequence could be high even if you deem the likelihood very low.
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Once, after yelling, "ON YOUR LEFT" twice to a lady walking her dog while wearing headphones, she decided to yell at me for not giving her and her dog warning that I was passing. I yelled back in her anger that she needs to remove her headphones so she can hear the world around her. At this point, her wearing the headphones seemed rather rude.
Conflicting self-serving hubrisii.
A gentle bell and a smiling face do better a passing make.
or NOT!
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Buy a bell. That's the international signal. Buy one that is penetrating and has a long ring. That way, people can hear it and with the long ring, they can tell where the sound is coming from. Shouting into the wind to people forward of you means they will only hear you when you're almost next to them. Especially if they are moving too (wind in ears). Get a bell. You're not in the TdF.
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I've always been rather gentle on any bicycles (and motorcycles, and cars) that I've owned, so I tend to ride them in the mode they were originally designed for. Oh, I ride them, in all sorts of weather, but I've never been one to spend major money on anything and then beat it.
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A man's voice usually doesn't travel all that well, nor is it easy to tell the direction of it (because it is deep). You just hear someone yelp something (a voice, no words), and only when the person is right on your tail or have already crossed your rear axle. It fine to shout when you ride with your buddies at the same time (i,e, shout to each other), but a clear bell carries longer and is easier to tell direction from.
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I've always been rather gentle on any bicycles (and motorcycles, and cars) that I've owned, so I tend to ride them in the mode they were originally designed for. Oh, I ride them, in all sorts of weather, but I've never been one to spend major money on anything and then beat it.
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I will offer my view while not criticizing anyone who feels different as it might be easy to become involved is such an exchange. My position is that good condition vintage bikes become harder to find every year, lots of junk out there but not much that catches my eye.
I treat my vintage bikes like valuable pieces of art and care for them the best I can until I decide to move them onto someone else who hopefully feels the same way.
However I also ride bikes ( modern) that are designed specifically to ride hard, get dirty and have more aggressive fun. It would kill me to see someone using a vintage Colnago or DeRosa for their gravel bike but that is the privilege of ownership.
I treat my vintage bikes like valuable pieces of art and care for them the best I can until I decide to move them onto someone else who hopefully feels the same way.
However I also ride bikes ( modern) that are designed specifically to ride hard, get dirty and have more aggressive fun. It would kill me to see someone using a vintage Colnago or DeRosa for their gravel bike but that is the privilege of ownership.
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I recently bought a 1985 Colnago Super with Campagnolo attached and ride this beautiful thing as if it were a cheap fixed gear through out my city streets. Jumping side walks, passing up cars on streets who are too busy texting, adjusting my headphones and going with the flow. There seems to be a culture or even cliques within the biking community who would frown upon such actions.
Out of all curiosity, what are your opinions when it comes to riding certain brands and models. Is there a life style responsibility when owning a brand?
Out of all curiosity, what are your opinions when it comes to riding certain brands and models. Is there a life style responsibility when owning a brand?
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You want to bring A&S into here? Fine.
It so happens I do give a damn that someone can be so narrow-minded to throw things like this on the Board of Things Thou Shall Deem Uncooth - especially when it has jack to do with C&V.
First, there are certain vintage bicycles that were made for curb jumping and other similar maneuvers - BMX, for one. You're saying an entire subculture of bicycling is not OK.
Secondly, cars ≠ bicycles, and you can't blindly apply the chasm of suitable facilities to both. That type of thinking led to vehicular cycling, which has led to 40+ years of piss-poor bicycle infrastructure for riders to get killed on.
This same auto-centric approach has led to a general indifference amongst traffic engineers and cities to provide safe bicycle facilities for riders. As such, every now and then, a bass-ackward city planner will force you to jump a city curb on something not originally intended for it, e.g., a commuter bike. You can't correlate this with motor vehicles, because road engineers take comparatively great pains to make sure such things do not happen to motorists.
Whatever the reason, someday, you might be on an old bike and find yourself in a situation where you have to jump a curb. I've curb jumped my '51 Raleigh Sports before because I had to. I knew I could do it, and I knew the old boat anchor could do it as well, so I did it. Maybe safety nannies and petty elitists like you lose their minds over it, but I'm not letting them, you, or a city planner prevent me from getting to my destination over a curb hop.
Rant out.
-Kurt
It so happens I do give a damn that someone can be so narrow-minded to throw things like this on the Board of Things Thou Shall Deem Uncooth - especially when it has jack to do with C&V.
First, there are certain vintage bicycles that were made for curb jumping and other similar maneuvers - BMX, for one. You're saying an entire subculture of bicycling is not OK.
Secondly, cars ≠ bicycles, and you can't blindly apply the chasm of suitable facilities to both. That type of thinking led to vehicular cycling, which has led to 40+ years of piss-poor bicycle infrastructure for riders to get killed on.
This same auto-centric approach has led to a general indifference amongst traffic engineers and cities to provide safe bicycle facilities for riders. As such, every now and then, a bass-ackward city planner will force you to jump a city curb on something not originally intended for it, e.g., a commuter bike. You can't correlate this with motor vehicles, because road engineers take comparatively great pains to make sure such things do not happen to motorists.
Whatever the reason, someday, you might be on an old bike and find yourself in a situation where you have to jump a curb. I've curb jumped my '51 Raleigh Sports before because I had to. I knew I could do it, and I knew the old boat anchor could do it as well, so I did it. Maybe safety nannies and petty elitists like you lose their minds over it, but I'm not letting them, you, or a city planner prevent me from getting to my destination over a curb hop.
Rant out.
-Kurt
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Your definition of elitist is highly questionable, as I stated above. Curbs are to identify the road surface for vehicles and protect pedestrians from vehicles. Bicycle laws were written long before you were born or deemed someone else elitist.
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I think you are attaching the clique, culture or genre to the wrong thing. It's not the bike, it's your actions. The bicycle is a vehicle, by law. It should be ridden by the law. Anything less, in the eyes of the non-riding public, brings down the whole cycling community. That is what the rest of us don't appreciate.
Secondly, the law does not reflect infrastructure realities - and this goes for both breaking it and following it. Here's an example based on the curb jumping behavior you frown on:
A bike lane (or sharrow) may have signage that requires you, by law (likely a combination of state statute + city code), to detour onto a multiple use path/sidewalk (problematic in its own right, but often a reality). That MUP/sidewalk ends at a non ADA-compliant curb corner with no ramp, where there are markings to indicate the bike lane or sharrow continues directly from this curb.
The rider can dismount and remount, or they can hop off the curb. The former is a pain and distinctly disrespectful of both bicycle riders, wheelchair users (not ADA compliant, so also illegal infrastructure), and people walking who have limited sight (I doubt a non-ramped curb would have tactile pavers at it's corner, so that's another ADA violation). The latter is a workaround over this disrespectful infrastructure which causes no real harm on the part of the rider.
Come to think of it, I can't think of a city with a curb-hopping ordinance, so the argument that it's against the law doesn't even apply.
https://twitter.com/KostelecPlan/status/1316105618374107136
and
https://twitter.com/KostelecPlan/status/1329498333400813568
Bollards have a much better ability to do so.
Bicycle laws continue to be written and revised following my birth and to this day. In fact, my local County Commission is hearing a resolution today regarding the codification of expedited procedures and policies to create new, safe bicycle and pedestrian infrastructure. EDIT: It passed
And to reiterate, I've yet to see a bicycle curb hopping law. (That's not to say there isn't an obscure municipality out there with that on the books, but that's just it: It's obscure).
-Kurt
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