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Update: Heard back from Enduro bearings and their 6.5mm thick one will work as a lower bearing (which is originally 8mm). The reason is because the extra material sits inside the head tube thus allowing the fork and rest of headset to be located in the same positions. I'll be replacing the headset bearings with Enduro bearings:

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ID: 1.5" / 40mm OD:51.8 x 8 mm thick replacement:
Enduro Replacement: ACB 6808 CC SS

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ID: 1 1/8” / 30.2mm OD:41mm x 6.5mm thick.
Enduro replacement: ACB 3645 SS
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Originally Posted by mirlocork
thanks for your answer
One more thing, does anyone have a photo or know how a rear rack is mounted on the 2020 steel renegade s2/s1 ?. is it reliable with saddlebags?
Thank you very much again
Adding a rear rack is fine but this is not a full touring bike so it is not rated to carry 40 pounds. I think the rear rack limit is something like 25 pounds.
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Changing stock gearing on 2018 Expat

I recently picked up a 2018 Renegade Expat and I want to change the stock gearing, which is currently 54/34t and 11/32t, to a more hill-friendly setup. I've read in this thread about folks swapping out the front chainrings and rear cog to accomplish this. I've managed to track down and order a 110mm 46T to replace the larger ring up front, and a new 11-36t rear cog. I've read about folks in this thread swapping out the smaller stock 34t chainring for 30t, but I can't for the life of me find a 110mm 5-hole 30t ring that will work. Any ideas on where I might find one, or am I barking up the wrong tree? Thanks for any help! Cheers

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Originally Posted by pondering.skies
I recently picked up a 2018 Renegade Expat and I want to change the stock gearing, which is currently 54/34t and 11/33t, to a more hill-friendly setup. I've read in this thread about folks swapping out the front chainrings and rear cog to accomplish this. I've managed to track down and order a 110mm 46T to replace the larger ring up front, and a new 11-34t rear cog. I've read about folks in this thread swapping out the smaller stock 34t chainring for 30t, but I can't for the life of me find a 110mm 5-hole 30t ring that will work. Any ideas on where I might find one, or am I barking up the wrong tree? Thanks for any help! Cheers
Dont change from an 11-33(didnt realize this is an option even) to 11-34. Buy an 11-36 instead, like the SRAM PG1170(there are a lot of other options too in this gear range). A Shimano medium cage rear derailleur can handle 46/34 front and 11-36 rear...ive used that combo with a couple different modern 11sp Shimano RDs.

As for smaller than 34t up front- there are a couple hacks for 1110bcd, but you are basically out of luck and need to buy a different crankset.
Praxis Zayante and Alba come in 48/32.
Shimano GRX, FSA(various models), and a couple others come in 46/30.

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Originally Posted by mstateglfr
Dont change from an 11-33(didnt realize this is an option even) to 11-34. Buy an 11-36 instead, like the SRAM PG1170(there are a lot of other options too in this gear range). A Shimano medium cage rear derailleur can handle 46/34 front and 11-36 rear...ive used that combo with a couple different modern 11sp Shimano RDs.

As for smaller than 34t up front- there are a couple hacks for 1110bcd, but you are basically out of luck and need to buy a different crankset.
Praxis Zayante and Alba come in 48/32.
Shimano GRX, FSA(various models), and a couple others come in 46/30.
Thanks! Sorry I realized I made an error in my original post and have corrected it...my current stock rear cog is 11/32t and I am replacing it with a 11/36t. Thanks for the heads up on the front derailleur. Sounds like maybe I should just give the 46/34 front and 11-36 rear combo a try for a while. That might make enough of a difference for me. Thanks!
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Originally Posted by pondering.skies
Thanks! Sorry I realized I made an error in my original post and have corrected it...my current stock rear cog is 11/32t and I am replacing it with a 11/36t. Thanks for the heads up on the front derailleur. Sounds like maybe I should just give the 46/34 front and 11-36 rear combo a try for a while. That might make enough of a difference for me. Thanks!
If it's in your budget, and you can find the parts, swapping out the front derailleur, rear derailleur, and crank (46/30) with 10 speed GRX, a Shimano BB, and an 11-34 or 11-36 cassette would make a lot of sense to get the low gears you want, and improve things a little. The addition of the clutch on the RD is nice, and it handles bigger cassettes no problem. The GRX FD, which you have to use with the GRX crank due to the q-factor, shifts a little easier too.

A thriftier option without replacing the derailleurs or BB would be an FSA Omega Adventure 46/30 crank (uses the same BB) and an an 11-34 cassette. The Tiagra RD might shift an 11-36 as well.
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Originally Posted by pondering.skies
I recently picked up a 2018 Renegade Expat and I want to change the stock gearing, which is currently 54/34t and 11/32t, to a more hill-friendly setup. I've read in this thread about folks swapping out the front chainrings and rear cog to accomplish this. I've managed to track down and order a 110mm 46T to replace the larger ring up front, and a new 11-36t rear cog. I've read about folks in this thread swapping out the smaller stock 34t chainring for 30t, but I can't for the life of me find a 110mm 5-hole 30t ring that will work. Any ideas on where I might find one, or am I barking up the wrong tree? Thanks for any help! Cheers
You can't fit a 30t ring on a 5 bolt 110 bcd crankset. That's why you can't find one.
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Originally Posted by zen_
The Tiagra RD might shift an 11-36 as well.
It does but it's a garbage rd in terms of longevity.
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Just picked up the 2021 Renegade S1 frameset from the LBS today. I think it was the right choice to change to standard cable routing. The T47 BB and tapered head tube are also nice touches, and it even included an FSA T47 BB for 30mm spindles with a 24mm adapter. Can't wait to get this built!



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Originally Posted by zen_
Just picked up the 2021 Renegade S1 frameset from the LBS today. I think it was the right choice to change to standard cable routing. The T47 BB and tapered head tube are also nice touches, and it even included an FSA T47 BB for 30mm spindles with a 24mm adapter. Can't wait to get this built!



What do you mean by "normal cable routing"?
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Originally Posted by shoota
What do you mean by "normal cable routing"?
I think this refers to a change in the design versus older models of the Renegade. My 2018 Exploit has the derailleur cables run along the top tube, rather than the down tube. For the front derailleur this means there's a sharp turn at the seattube and a pulley behind the seattube below the derailleur clamp to change the cable direction, and the rear derailleur cable follows a seatstay.
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Originally Posted by nathand
I think this refers to a change in the design versus older models of the Renegade. My 2018 Exploit has the derailleur cables run along the top tube, rather than the down tube. For the front derailleur this means there's a sharp turn at the seattube and a pulley behind the seattube below the derailleur clamp to change the cable direction, and the rear derailleur cable follows a seatstay.
Gotcha. I hate that damn fd pulley, terrible design. As long as the new Renegades are still using fully enclosed housing then I'm all for the change. However, exposed cables have no place on a gravel bike.
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Originally Posted by shoota
As long as the new Renegades are still using fully enclosed housing then I'm all for the change
They are still fully enclosed (agreed that's much better for gravel), although my one ding on the frameset is that they didn't include a cable stop to use with a front mech. I found some pictures of other 2021 models built up on a Japanese site, and it looked like Jamis used a clamp type stop adapter, so I ordered one of those.
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Originally Posted by zen_
They are still fully enclosed (agreed that's much better for gravel), although my one ding on the frameset is that they didn't include a cable stop to use with a front mech. I found some pictures of other 2021 models built up on a Japanese site, and it looked like Jamis used a clamp type stop adapter, so I ordered one of those.
Weird. That seems really strange. Do you think they did that because 1X is so popular?
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Originally Posted by shoota
Weird. That seems really strange. Do you think they did that because 1X is so popular?
It did include the plugs for using a Di2 front mech, so I guess they assume that anyone bothering with a 2x build from a frameset will be using Di2. Not really an issue though for a $10 part when it it's a ridiculously good value for $900 compared to what else is out there for steel framesets, and it came with a ~$50 T47 bottom bracket.

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Renegade and SKS clip-on fenders

As rain/mud season is approaching (again), I'm considering fenders for my 2019 Renegade Expat. I am intrigued by the SKS clip-on options, but am not sure if the design would work with the way the front derailleur cable is set up on the bike, with a pulley behind the seat tube. According to the SKS website, the rear fender clips on at the same point--there looks to be a gap, but I'm not sure if it's wide enough not to interfere with shifting. I also have 650b tires (size 48 frame) and am not finding a ton of 650b-friendly fender options!

I have changed from the stock tires to 38mm GravelKing slicks, so it looks like the SKS Velo 47 Trekking fenders should fit these as well as the stock tires if I decide to put those back on.

Here is a photo of the fender attachment: https://www.sks-germany.com/inhalte/u...08/11102-2.jpg

What do you all think? Does anyone have these fenders on their Renegade?
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I have a 2018 Escapade and I've been rolling stock wheels since it was purchased. I've probably put around 4000 miles on it during that time. I believe the rear hub needs replaced. The stock wheels are WTB Frequency i23. Would it be worth rebuilding the stock wheel set with new hubs or should I upgrade wheels? If so, what are some good recommendations for a new wheel set? I am currently running tubeless so I'd like to stick with that. I don't mind spending money if it's worth it, but i don't want to break the bank either. I ride mainly roads and paved trails, but I do ride crushed limestone and and gravel as well.
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Hmm, why do you think the hub should be replaced? I have the same bike and probably have at least 3 times more miles on the stock wheels compared to you and they seem to perform as well as new. Love that rear hub is silent. Otherwise, this wheelset is exceptionally heavy and if there is a real need for hub replacement, I'd rather just replace the whole wheelset.
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Hmm, why do you think the hub should be replaced? I have the same bike and probably have at least 3 times more miles on the stock wheels compared to you and they seem to perform as well as new. Love that rear hub is silent. Otherwise, this wheelset is exceptionally heavy and if there is a real need for hub replacement, I'd rather just replace the whole wheelset.
There is a loud clicking sound from the rear hub. It's a rotational sound. I'm guessing its a cracked bearing. It has gotten much worse on the last few rides, to the point I don't want to ride it anymore.

I was thinking about replacing since it is a heavy wheelset as you stated. I think it would be a great component to upgrade.
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Originally Posted by MTBJason
I have a 2018 Escapade and I've been rolling stock wheels since it was purchased. I've probably put around 4000 miles on it during that time. I believe the rear hub needs replaced. The stock wheels are WTB Frequency i23. Would it be worth rebuilding the stock wheel set with new hubs or should I upgrade wheels? If so, what are some good recommendations for a new wheel set? I am currently running tubeless so I'd like to stick with that. I don't mind spending money if it's worth it, but i don't want to break the bank either. I ride mainly roads and paved trails, but I do ride crushed limestone and and gravel as well.
You may get more advice for this in the mechanic section, but the OE wheels use Formula or Joytech hubs, which are just ok, and the spokes / rims are not nice enough to really warrant rebuilding the wheels if you have to. You may just need the freehub body serviced or replaced though, so it would be worth taking to a bike shop to have them look it over. Even if you get new wheels, it's kinda nice having a second set as a backup, or to run different tires.

As for wheels, there are a good number of options available in the $400-700 range. Shimano GRX, HED Emporia, Spinergy GX, DT Swiss GR1600, Fulcrum Rapid Red 3, Light Bicycle Falcon.
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There is a loud clicking sound from the rear hub. It's a rotational sound. I'm guessing its a cracked bearing.
Just in case: remove the "dork" disc and light reflectors first. Both (especially reflectors) were making clicking noise.
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Just in case: remove the "dork" disc and light reflectors first. Both (especially reflectors) were making clicking noise.
So it did end up being the hub. It isn’t repairable. The shop recommended the Bontrager Paradigm Elite 25’s. I believe I was quoted around $950 for the pair. I understand that they are very good wheels for what I’m looking for. Not sure I want to spend that much though. I’d love to get a new set of Panniers as well so I’m thinking more in the $600-$700 range. I will have to check on the options listed above as well. Any other recommendations are greatly appreciated.
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Originally Posted by MTBJason
So it did end up being the hub. It isn’t repairable. The shop recommended the Bontrager Paradigm Elite 25’s. I believe I was quoted around $950 for the pair.
That's insane for a run of the mill alloy wheelset. Get any number of the alloy wheelsets out there that are half that. Or spend a couple hundred more and get the Bontrager Pro 3V carbon wheelset.
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I got this wheelset: https://www.coloradocyclist.com/dt-s...disc-rims-700c
Together with 54 step star ratchet upgrade (which is $97.60 by itself and is hardly a required item) and shipping ($25) it ended up being $666.74.
They have also many other reasonably priced options: https://www.coloradocyclist.com/cust...ross-wheelsets
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Originally Posted by MTBJason
So it did end up being the hub. It isn’t repairable. The shop recommended the Bontrager Paradigm Elite 25’s. I believe I was quoted around $950 for the pair. I understand that they are very good wheels for what I’m looking for. Not sure I want to spend that much though. I’d love to get a new set of Panniers as well so I’m thinking more in the $600-$700 range. I will have to check on the options listed above as well. Any other recommendations are greatly appreciated.
The Shimano GRX wheelset is $420 if you want cheaper, but still good option.
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